[00:00.000 --> 00:14.780]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, it didn't have this.
[00:14.780 --> 00:16.580]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:22.680 --> 00:24.840]  I've seen all the drill cameras today.
[00:25.100 --> 00:26.720]  It's a numbering system there.
[00:30.000 --> 00:59.980]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:00.000 --> 01:02.000]  I've seen all the drill cameras.
[01:02.000 --> 01:06.000]  I've seen all the drill cameras.
[01:06.000 --> 01:08.000]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:08.000 --> 01:13.000]  Oh, you're thinking about anchors?
[01:13.000 --> 01:14.000]  Yeah.
[01:14.000 --> 01:27.760]  Oh, you're thinking about anchorses?
[01:27.760 --> 01:28.000]  Yeah.
[01:28.000 --> 01:37.100]  If it gets too bad, just screw me in.
[01:37.100 --> 01:40.620]  That's cool.
[01:44.000 --> 02:13.980]  I guess we're light.
[02:13.980 --> 02:32.980]  It fills out, so we're here to start in just a minute.
[02:32.980 --> 02:33.980]  Yeah.
[02:58.980 --> 02:59.980]  They have a pin?
[02:59.980 --> 03:09.980]  Do you have an extra?
[03:09.980 --> 03:13.860]  My mailbox is 4 p.m., so we'll get started here.
[03:13.860 --> 03:14.980]  Thank you, everybody, for coming tonight.
[03:14.980 --> 03:15.980]  And we'll crank up here.
[03:15.980 --> 03:16.980]  up here.
[03:16.980 --> 03:20.980]  I'm going to make an order, and I'm going to have a rub call.
[03:20.980 --> 03:21.980]  Jeff Baines.
[03:21.980 --> 03:22.980]  Present.
[03:22.980 --> 03:23.980]  Regina Santana.
[03:23.980 --> 03:24.980]  Present.
[03:24.980 --> 03:25.980]  Jody Vance.
[03:25.980 --> 03:26.980]  Here.
[03:26.980 --> 03:27.980]  Tom Clemons.
[03:27.980 --> 03:28.980]  Here.
[03:28.980 --> 03:31.980]  Steve Jones, which is our ex-officio.
[03:31.980 --> 03:32.980]  Here.
[03:32.980 --> 03:35.980]  Heads on vacation.
[03:35.980 --> 03:36.980]  Here.
[03:36.980 --> 03:37.980]  Joey Carmack.
[03:37.980 --> 03:38.980]  Here.
[03:38.980 --> 03:39.980]  Here.
[03:39.980 --> 03:40.980]  Here.
[03:40.980 --> 03:41.980]  Dave Dixon.
[03:41.980 --> 03:42.980]  Here.
[03:42.980 --> 03:43.980]  Randy Lane.
[03:43.980 --> 03:44.980]  Here.
[03:44.980 --> 03:45.980]  Dave Dixon.
[03:45.980 --> 03:46.980]  Here.
[03:46.980 --> 03:47.980]  Randy Lane.
[03:47.980 --> 03:48.980]  Here.
[03:48.980 --> 03:54.980]  Dave, we're all present and counted for it except for by the field.
[03:54.980 --> 03:58.980]  Our next item is I approve our minutes from our June 15th meeting.
[03:58.980 --> 03:59.980]  Motion to approve.
[03:59.980 --> 04:00.980]  Motion to second.
[04:00.980 --> 04:02.980]  Any discussion on the minutes?
[04:02.980 --> 04:04.980]  All in favor with an aye.
[04:04.980 --> 04:05.980]  Aye.
[04:05.980 --> 04:06.980]  Any opposed?
[04:06.980 --> 04:07.980]  Minutes are approved.
[04:07.980 --> 04:11.980]  Tonight, I ask you to put chairman comments at the beginning of the agenda tonight.
[04:11.980 --> 04:15.980]  And the first thing I want to say is I want to reach out tonight if you don't know folks
[04:15.980 --> 04:16.980]  here in town.
[04:16.980 --> 04:19.980]  Mr. Fred Burton, a long-time counselor who passed away yesterday morning.
[04:19.980 --> 04:21.980]  Fred's a great public servant.
[04:21.980 --> 04:23.980]  I worked with Fred for many, many years here.
[04:23.980 --> 04:25.980]  And we're getting some other folks here as well.
[04:25.980 --> 04:26.980]  And we're going to miss Fred.
[04:26.980 --> 04:28.980]  I suppose you could always talk to.
[04:28.980 --> 04:29.980]  He would listen to you.
[04:29.980 --> 04:31.980]  He'd tell you what he thought.
[04:31.980 --> 04:33.980]  He'd ask you to do things for him.
[04:33.980 --> 04:35.980]  He worked hard for his constituents.
[04:35.980 --> 04:40.980]  You know, he knew how to work the staff folks to get some things to help his folks out there.
[04:40.980 --> 04:43.980]  Shouldn't tell it to Camille and Joey though, but Fred had it mastered.
[04:43.980 --> 04:44.980]  He had it mastered.
[04:44.980 --> 04:48.980]  But he was a great individual and he served our city well.
[04:48.980 --> 04:52.980]  And just remember his family and the prayers in that loss.
[04:52.980 --> 04:53.980]  Okay.
[04:53.980 --> 04:56.980]  Also, my comments tonight, I just want to thank our community again.
[04:56.980 --> 04:58.980]  This has been an easy task here.
[04:58.980 --> 05:02.980]  It's not really a fun task either, but something that has to be done and is a challenge.
[05:02.980 --> 05:05.980]  Then I want to thank everybody, the communities, the citizens.
[05:05.980 --> 05:07.980]  You know, you guys have been here tonight.
[05:07.980 --> 05:08.980]  You've been here before.
[05:08.980 --> 05:11.980]  I know you have concerns when you have questions.
[05:11.980 --> 05:13.980]  But a lot of good comments have been made.
[05:13.980 --> 05:17.980]  I think sometimes I just believe that everyone understands our role.
[05:17.980 --> 05:22.980]  And again, our role is to try to narrow these 20 sites down to 7, 8, 10 sites for the mayor
[05:22.980 --> 05:26.980]  then to make contact with people to find out who might be interested in sellers.
[05:26.980 --> 05:30.980]  The city has made it very clear, the elected officials, they do not want to have any property
[05:30.980 --> 05:31.980]  acquired in the domain.
[05:31.980 --> 05:33.980]  They want to find a willing seller.
[05:33.980 --> 05:36.980]  So again, our task, I'm really trying to oversimplify it, but it's to try to identify eight
[05:36.980 --> 05:37.980]  or 10 sites.
[05:37.980 --> 05:38.980]  He wants the information.
[05:38.980 --> 05:39.980]  He wants the information.
[05:39.980 --> 05:42.980]  He's going to contact those property owners and say, are you willing to sell it?
[05:42.980 --> 05:43.980]  It's not complicated.
[05:43.980 --> 05:46.980]  Once that, it comes back to us for some additional maybe rankings.
[05:46.980 --> 05:50.980]  And tonight we've got another matrix discussed a little bit too as far as it might be appropriate
[05:50.980 --> 05:52.980]  once we have a narrowed down list.
[05:52.980 --> 05:56.980]  But hopefully tonight we can give the mayor a list of potential sites here.
[05:56.980 --> 06:00.980]  He'll contact property owners and then we'll be back here in a couple of weeks to talk
[06:00.980 --> 06:04.980]  about maybe ranking those final few sites there.
[06:04.980 --> 06:07.980]  That's really the comments I have right now.
[06:07.980 --> 06:10.980]  We do have one more site we'll look at tonight that's been brought to our attention in the
[06:10.980 --> 06:11.980]  last couple of weeks.
[06:11.980 --> 06:13.980]  Since we last met, decided on Bakerville Road.
[06:13.980 --> 06:14.980]  It's the city limits.
[06:14.980 --> 06:15.980]  It's a potential development site.
[06:15.980 --> 06:18.980]  The developers reached out to us and said he'd be interested in talking to the city.
[06:18.980 --> 06:19.980]  And they said it.
[06:19.980 --> 06:20.980]  They said it.
[06:20.980 --> 06:21.980]  They're interested in talking.
[06:21.980 --> 06:22.980]  It's 150 acres there.
[06:22.980 --> 06:24.980]  So tonight we'll look at that real quickly too.
[06:24.980 --> 06:28.980]  Because he has reached out to me and said he'd be interested in talking to us.
[06:28.980 --> 06:31.980]  So we'll show that here on the rock map for a few minutes here.
[06:31.980 --> 06:35.980]  With that, I think that's my comments for this evening.
[06:35.980 --> 06:40.980]  Basically, I said next year if they have any committee comments here before we get started
[06:40.980 --> 06:41.980]  here.
[06:41.980 --> 06:42.980]  So I'll just go in there.
[06:42.980 --> 06:43.980]  Virginia, you want to start first.
[06:43.980 --> 06:44.980]  Anything you want to add tonight?
[06:44.980 --> 06:45.980]  Jody?
[06:45.980 --> 06:46.980]  Tom?
[06:46.980 --> 06:47.980]  Randy?
[06:47.980 --> 06:48.980]  Not yet.
[06:48.980 --> 06:49.980]  Dave?
[06:49.980 --> 06:50.980]  No, sir.
[06:50.980 --> 06:51.980]  Joey?
[06:51.980 --> 06:52.980]  Camille?
[06:52.980 --> 06:53.980]  Well, let's get started.
[06:53.980 --> 07:05.980]  And I think what we want to do next is look at our, you know, you're going to put them
[07:05.980 --> 07:06.980]  up there.
[07:06.980 --> 07:10.980]  These are in the list of, you know, highest rank to lowest rank.
[07:10.980 --> 07:12.980]  Slides on the left there.
[07:12.980 --> 07:15.980]  The score, every score of our committee is on the right there.
[07:15.980 --> 07:20.980]  So tonight, that is going to be our main discussion of this, this list here as far
[07:20.980 --> 07:23.980]  as how many to recommend on to the, for the mayor to contact folks.
[07:23.980 --> 07:25.980]  We're all going to show you at one of the sites there.
[07:25.980 --> 07:26.980]  You take your time.
[07:26.980 --> 07:28.980]  We'll make a clean time to get you a picture of that.
[07:28.980 --> 07:30.980]  But you can see the top, site 13.
[07:30.980 --> 07:31.980]  Whoops.
[07:31.980 --> 07:32.980]  Okay.
[07:32.980 --> 07:44.980]  That is the committees and overall net rank is whatever else.
[07:44.980 --> 07:46.980]  So I think it's over for discussion now.
[07:46.980 --> 07:48.980]  What do we want to do with that, with these numbers here?
[07:48.980 --> 07:50.980]  Do we want to choose some, a number of these sites here?
[07:50.980 --> 07:52.980]  We're going to, we're going to look at the first.
[07:52.980 --> 07:55.980]  I looked at, of course, and I see a break at the first.
[07:55.980 --> 07:56.980]  Please, guys, please, no talking.
[07:56.980 --> 07:58.980]  Now, please, let's have a little respect here.
[07:58.980 --> 08:02.980]  You see the top five sites are that 37 plus number.
[08:02.980 --> 08:04.980]  There's three that are 36 plus.
[08:04.980 --> 08:06.980]  There's a couple, three more that are both 34.
[08:06.980 --> 08:09.980]  This group of myself, I send a group of five, a group of eight,
[08:09.980 --> 08:10.980]  a group of 11.
[08:10.980 --> 08:11.980]  That's me as the chairman talking.
[08:11.980 --> 08:13.980]  This group, do whatever we want to do as a group.
[08:13.980 --> 08:17.980]  But I see groups of five, eight, or 11 that ought to be considered
[08:17.980 --> 08:18.980]  at least to go on to the mayor.
[08:18.980 --> 08:21.980]  So I thought that for discussion and you guys jump in there.
[08:21.980 --> 08:25.980]  Plus the other side we may look at tonight.
[08:25.980 --> 08:30.980]  I would, it's clear that we have one that's well ahead of the others.
[08:30.980 --> 08:35.980]  And I'd like to escalate that to the council to get moving on it
[08:35.980 --> 08:38.980]  if that's the most appropriate scored site.
[08:38.980 --> 08:39.980]  And it clearly is.
[08:39.980 --> 08:44.980]  It's 10 points above this committee's average on the other sites.
[08:44.980 --> 08:45.980]  Correct.
[08:45.980 --> 08:49.980]  How quickly can we move on a site like that to find out if it's
[08:49.980 --> 08:54.980]  credible because it's clear this is a front runner.
[08:54.980 --> 08:55.980]  Front runner.
[08:55.980 --> 08:56.980]  Let me respond to that, David.
[08:56.980 --> 08:57.980]  You're right.
[08:57.980 --> 08:58.980]  It's very clear.
[08:58.980 --> 09:01.980]  Our charges is turning the mayor at least three sites.
[09:01.980 --> 09:03.980]  So we cannot just turn in one.
[09:03.980 --> 09:04.980]  The orders are real clear.
[09:04.980 --> 09:05.980]  We've got to turn in at least three.
[09:05.980 --> 09:06.980]  We can turn in five.
[09:06.980 --> 09:10.980]  The next step, I believe he said to me, yes, he'd like to have sites.
[09:10.980 --> 09:12.980]  So again, he wants to find out where they're prompting on it.
[09:12.980 --> 09:15.980]  So when you're giving that, whether it's three or five or eight or ten,
[09:15.980 --> 09:19.980]  he'll contact those folks and see if there's where they're prompt on them.
[09:19.980 --> 09:20.980]  That's really so.
[09:20.980 --> 09:21.980]  You're right.
[09:21.980 --> 09:23.980]  I mean, and I guess it'd be good, you know, if everybody's seen the
[09:23.980 --> 09:25.980]  numbers there, can you put the map on where it shows the overall
[09:25.980 --> 09:27.980]  map of the sites where you're not sure where they are.
[09:27.980 --> 09:28.980]  It'll help you for sure.
[09:28.980 --> 09:36.980]  I'd like to say that I think when we've got, you know, some that are
[09:36.980 --> 09:41.980]  31 to 23, we should just go ahead and take those off.
[09:41.980 --> 09:52.980]  Those seem to be the lowest from consideration.
[09:52.980 --> 09:56.980]  Or as a group, find a number that.
[09:56.980 --> 09:59.980]  I'm in support of that as well.
[09:59.980 --> 10:02.980]  So that's what, what number did you say?
[10:02.980 --> 10:13.980]  Well, it looks like we've, the lowest is 31.8 through 23.
[10:13.980 --> 10:17.980]  As far as removing some sites from this list, I think it's a good
[10:17.980 --> 10:19.980]  thing if we can do that tonight.
[10:19.980 --> 10:25.980]  But, you know, one, one thing we talked about in the first meeting,
[10:25.980 --> 10:30.980]  second meeting, I know, in the last meeting is no matter what came out
[10:30.980 --> 10:35.980]  of this scoring, we were not going to send anything on forward until
[10:35.980 --> 10:37.980]  we took this a step further.
[10:37.980 --> 10:45.980]  And I understand that the new matrix has a topic to discuss about, you
[10:45.980 --> 10:52.980]  know, going and finding a desired seller, but that wasn't our plan
[10:52.980 --> 10:54.980]  whenever we went into this.
[10:54.980 --> 11:00.980]  So I don't think that's something that I'd be on board for one to do
[11:00.980 --> 11:01.980]  immediately tonight.
[11:01.980 --> 11:05.980]  But I am, I am on board trying to remove some of these sites and,
[11:05.980 --> 11:08.980]  you know, discuss details further.
[11:08.980 --> 11:14.980]  I would kind of echo off what Camille said and do the sites that scored
[11:14.980 --> 11:17.980]  at 32.7 and below and to remove those.
[11:17.980 --> 11:19.980]  And I'll make that in the form of a motion.
[11:19.980 --> 11:29.980]  So your motion is to through site, including site 15.
[11:29.980 --> 11:31.980]  Say that again.
[11:31.980 --> 11:33.980]  32.2.
[11:33.980 --> 11:35.980]  32.7 and below.
[11:35.980 --> 11:41.980]  So sites 6 through 6, 15, 14, 17, 11, 21, 20, 19, 9, and 18.
[11:41.980 --> 11:43.980]  Is that what you said to me?
[11:43.980 --> 11:47.980]  Well, I thought 31 because these 32s were close, but I'm fine with that,
[11:47.980 --> 11:48.980]  too.
[11:48.980 --> 11:51.980]  You can draw it after the 30, site 10, 34.
[11:51.980 --> 11:52.980]  Yes.
[11:52.980 --> 11:56.980]  And I'd make that in the form of a motion to remove any sites scoring
[11:56.980 --> 11:58.980]  32.7 and below.
[11:58.980 --> 12:00.980]  Do you want a second?
[12:00.980 --> 12:01.980]  I'll second.
[12:01.980 --> 12:03.980]  All right.
[12:03.980 --> 12:04.980]  Motion.
[12:04.980 --> 12:05.980]  Motion to second.
[12:05.980 --> 12:06.980]  Discussion on that motion.
[12:06.980 --> 12:07.980]  Yeah, go ahead, kind of.
[12:07.980 --> 12:08.980]  Yeah.
[12:08.980 --> 12:13.980]  This is the first time we've seen these sites with the scoring.
[12:13.980 --> 12:15.980]  We walked in here just now.
[12:15.980 --> 12:19.980]  Can we go through each one of these sites and look at them with the scoring?
[12:19.980 --> 12:20.980]  It's a common discussion.
[12:20.980 --> 12:21.980]  Absolutely.
[12:21.980 --> 12:22.980]  Appreciate it.
[12:22.980 --> 12:23.980]  You want to put it back up there?
[12:23.980 --> 12:24.980]  Just start with site 13.
[12:24.980 --> 12:27.980]  You want to go through the, you want to put the maps up?
[12:27.980 --> 12:29.980]  Yeah, that'd be appreciated.
[12:29.980 --> 12:34.980]  Put the map up of site 13, which is the Hartman Drive site here.
[12:34.980 --> 12:37.980]  We talked about, we added, was the Rockwood site originally.
[12:37.980 --> 12:38.980]  We saw it on the grid.
[12:38.980 --> 12:40.980]  Rockwood, by itself, does not work.
[12:40.980 --> 12:45.980]  Rockwood plus the adjacent site department complex and maybe one of the site,
[12:45.980 --> 12:46.980]  a couple of sites.
[12:46.980 --> 12:51.980]  I think there's like four tracks there that we've talked about, which is the 13A.
[12:51.980 --> 12:55.980]  So we talked about last week, when you rank those, you're ranking the full 1338.
[12:55.980 --> 12:57.980]  Everybody concur with that?
[12:57.980 --> 13:00.980]  They're about 140 acres.
[13:00.980 --> 13:06.980]  So that is the top recommended site, top ranked site.
[13:06.980 --> 13:07.980]  Go ahead, please.
[13:07.980 --> 13:08.980]  Anything you want to add?
[13:08.980 --> 13:09.980]  Yeah, no.
[13:09.980 --> 13:11.980]  Just walk through each one of them like that, Chairman.
[13:11.980 --> 13:12.980]  I'd appreciate it.
[13:12.980 --> 13:13.980]  Very good.
[13:13.980 --> 13:14.980]  Anybody got any comments on that site?
[13:14.980 --> 13:17.980]  Anything else on that site before we rush it?
[13:17.980 --> 13:26.980]  Go to site 14, which is the Permapipe site, as we all know it here locally.
[13:26.980 --> 13:29.980]  And comments on that one?
[13:29.980 --> 13:30.980]  It is a small site.
[13:30.980 --> 13:35.980]  We discussed that being, it was actually less than our desired 60 acres, is it?
[13:35.980 --> 13:36.980]  Yeah.
[13:36.980 --> 13:38.980]  Ranked in top.
[13:38.980 --> 13:39.980]  Ranked in top two.
[13:39.980 --> 13:42.980]  I just, it is what it is, right?
[13:42.980 --> 13:47.980]  It's existing business, manufacturing, company, Permapipe site location.
[13:47.980 --> 13:52.980]  It did not meet our budget criteria, but it still got ranked in the top two.
[13:52.980 --> 13:56.980]  Based on the current criteria, I mean, it ranked pretty high.
[13:56.980 --> 13:58.980]  I mean, it is too small.
[13:58.980 --> 13:59.980]  I agree.
[13:59.980 --> 14:00.980]  It's just a matter of problems.
[14:00.980 --> 14:04.980]  Accessibility and infrastructure, a lot of those things ranked it, kind of kick it
[14:04.980 --> 14:05.980]  on up.
[14:05.980 --> 14:09.980]  Are there, are there any properties next to it that could be added to it?
[14:09.980 --> 14:13.980]  And we've looked at that at another site or two.
[14:13.980 --> 14:19.980]  And it being contiguous to the existing site, it's more of an expansion versus a new
[14:19.980 --> 14:20.980]  construction.
[14:20.980 --> 14:25.980]  So, I mean, I think a lot of those variables, like Jody mentioned, go a long
[14:25.980 --> 14:26.980]  way.
[14:26.980 --> 14:30.980]  Well, Steve, you mentioned that you'd have to build one for you.
[14:30.980 --> 14:32.980]  You could, you really could expand on it.
[14:32.980 --> 14:34.980]  Am I incorrect there?
[14:34.980 --> 14:44.980]  The, that we have looked at that site, and that site has adequate room for, depending
[14:44.980 --> 14:45.980]  upon technology chosen.
[14:45.980 --> 14:46.980]  Any area?
[14:46.980 --> 14:47.980]  Oh.
[14:47.980 --> 14:55.980]  We have looked at that site, and based on technology chosen, the ability to expand
[14:55.980 --> 15:03.980]  beyond the 20 million gallons a day utilizing that site and the existing site is limited
[15:03.980 --> 15:12.980]  to processes that, through the analysis, were not as highly ranked as those that, you
[15:12.980 --> 15:17.980]  know, as some of the other processes that are available for the city.
[15:17.980 --> 15:19.980]  So, is it, is it possible?
[15:19.980 --> 15:20.980]  Sure.
[15:20.980 --> 15:27.980]  So, we can, you know, but I mean, as I've said many times in here, when you select a
[15:27.980 --> 15:33.980]  site smaller than 60 acres, you limit treatment options and expandability and capacity for
[15:33.980 --> 15:34.980]  the city.
[15:34.980 --> 15:41.980]  So, many times this committee has heard people say, if the city had planned well enough in
[15:41.980 --> 15:43.980]  the past, we wouldn't be here today.
[15:43.980 --> 15:49.980]  So, all I would say to that is, you know, when you look at a site that's 23.7 acres, we
[15:49.980 --> 15:55.980]  know, are you, you know, are we planning just for today?
[15:55.980 --> 15:58.980]  Are we planning for, you know, 50, 60 years down the road?
[15:58.980 --> 16:04.980]  I don't look at that site as 23.7 acres.
[16:04.980 --> 16:10.980]  I look at that site plus the existing site as the total composite acreage.
[16:10.980 --> 16:11.980]  I understand.
[16:11.980 --> 16:12.980]  I understand.
[16:12.980 --> 16:16.980]  It's, it's still very limited on acreage.
[16:16.980 --> 16:17.980]  Yeah.
[16:17.980 --> 16:20.980]  Other comments on?
[16:20.980 --> 16:23.980]  On a site 14.
[16:23.980 --> 16:24.980]  There you go, Regina.
[16:24.980 --> 16:25.980]  Thank you, Regina.
[16:25.980 --> 16:26.980]  We're challenging tonight, aren't we?
[16:26.980 --> 16:30.980]  Site two is way out there at Brea Church Road there, very near the site.
[16:30.980 --> 16:37.980]  Across the street there, across the area is the core property where it was the site originally
[16:37.980 --> 16:39.980]  being looked at and suggested way back there.
[16:39.980 --> 16:44.980]  Site two was one we've talked about as well as site one or two has been very near the
[16:44.980 --> 16:45.980]  very far downstream.
[16:45.980 --> 16:49.980]  Made a lot of sense years and years ago when the city was, when there was nothing much out
[16:49.980 --> 16:50.980]  that way.
[16:50.980 --> 16:53.980]  But again, it's in our top three as we speak today.
[16:53.980 --> 16:57.980]  So, and it is right at 65 acres, 66 acres.
[16:57.980 --> 16:58.980]  So any comments on site two?
[16:58.980 --> 17:19.980]  Okay, Virginia, please.
[17:19.980 --> 17:22.980]  Site seven.
[17:22.980 --> 17:35.380]  Okay, Regina, please, Site 7 is located right at the top of Regina's
[17:35.380 --> 17:37.020]  map is Colesbury Pike.
[17:37.020 --> 17:39.420]  This site acts access over Horn Springs Road.
[17:39.420 --> 17:43.060]  I went back to Sydney, Horn Springs Road would be the way you got to it.
[17:43.060 --> 17:46.180]  If you remember, we add that property to the lower left there.
[17:46.180 --> 17:49.220]  It's actually 7 and 7A is actually two sites.
[17:49.220 --> 17:52.500]  The track there would need to be acquired, or at least a right-of-way acquired to get
[17:52.500 --> 17:54.340]  to the track in the back there.
[17:54.340 --> 17:56.340]  That track is about 97 acres.
[17:56.340 --> 18:00.820]  The track on the front there is about 924.
[18:01.780 --> 18:06.820]  And that access is actually from Highway 70, Horn Springs Road, that property.
[18:13.060 --> 18:15.700]  North of that is, I believe, is track six to the north of that track.
[18:15.700 --> 18:16.340]  I believe it's six.
[18:18.420 --> 18:19.300]  Great.
[18:19.300 --> 18:20.660]  Any comments on track seven?
[18:22.500 --> 18:27.140]  Track five, please.
[18:30.020 --> 18:31.460]  We talked at that site several times.
[18:31.460 --> 18:34.500]  We know the property are there very well, if he's here tonight or not.
[18:34.500 --> 18:35.860]  And I'm sure Mr. Farron is here tonight.
[18:35.860 --> 18:37.220]  He's hanging back there somewhere.
[18:37.220 --> 18:40.260]  So we know it is also a nice site.
[18:41.940 --> 18:42.420]  Would work.
[18:42.420 --> 18:45.060]  It is ranked number five in our numbers here.
[18:45.780 --> 18:48.660]  Again, we ask that to stay on the list here.
[18:48.660 --> 18:50.340]  And maybe we'll contact the property owners.
[18:50.340 --> 18:51.860]  Like we mentioned, all three is above us here.
[18:52.500 --> 18:53.620]  See if he must win the sale.
[18:53.620 --> 18:57.140]  Any comments about site five or track five?
[19:00.740 --> 19:00.980]  Okay.
[19:00.980 --> 19:02.180]  Moving on down.
[19:02.180 --> 19:03.140]  We'll go to site 16.
[19:03.140 --> 19:16.740]  No, it's the cracker barrel site.
[19:16.740 --> 19:20.900]  We'll talk about something here quite a bit there, so that's the cracker barrel corporate headquarters.
[19:22.260 --> 19:24.820]  Of course, any of the sites you'll be talking about all the portion of sites there.
[19:24.820 --> 19:26.340]  Any comments on the cracker barrel site?
[19:31.380 --> 19:32.980]  That discussion on cracker barrel.
[19:35.140 --> 19:35.380]  Okay.
[19:36.740 --> 19:38.420]  I'll go back to site one, I believe, Regina.
[19:41.380 --> 19:43.300]  Site two, out near the lake.
[19:44.420 --> 19:46.580]  Larger site, 235 acres almost.
[19:47.220 --> 19:48.900]  Would not have to have all that site, of course.
[19:50.740 --> 19:51.620]  At least with that site.
[19:51.620 --> 19:54.020]  But any comments on site one?
[19:59.860 --> 20:00.180]  Okay.
[20:01.140 --> 20:01.620]  Slide eight.
[20:09.220 --> 20:11.940]  You mentioned another site on Maple Hill Road.
[20:11.940 --> 20:13.780]  Is it near the site eight?
[20:13.780 --> 20:16.500]  Well, when we get to this number 10, we'll pull that up next.
[20:16.500 --> 20:16.820]  Okay.
[20:16.820 --> 20:18.980]  Let's go to the next one to get a good comment.
[20:18.980 --> 20:19.460]  Side eight.
[20:20.420 --> 20:21.220]  We know side eight.
[20:21.220 --> 20:22.100]  Mr. Phillips here.
[20:22.100 --> 20:23.140]  I know I see my front row here.
[20:23.140 --> 20:23.860]  I want to go somewhere.
[20:24.340 --> 20:27.140]  So we've been at that property, and I hope you don't mind me calling his name.
[20:27.140 --> 20:29.940]  I mean, he's been, he's interested in the process here and his family, and
[20:31.220 --> 20:36.660]  it is ranked where we're at number eight, I believe.
[20:38.980 --> 20:40.100]  It's the eighth ranked site.
[20:40.100 --> 20:40.740]  Okay.
[20:40.740 --> 20:42.020]  All right, I'll be tied for seventh.
[20:42.020 --> 20:44.180]  There were two there at 36-1.
[20:44.180 --> 20:45.780]  One and eight were both at 36-1.
[20:47.300 --> 20:49.460]  Any questions about side eight or comments about side eight?
[20:54.740 --> 20:55.060]  Three.
[20:55.060 --> 21:08.100]  Coast Red Brea Church, I believe, behind the church there.
[21:08.740 --> 21:10.580]  It'd be tough.
[21:10.580 --> 21:12.020]  It's only 48, 49 acres.
[21:12.020 --> 21:12.660]  It'd be tough.
[21:12.660 --> 21:15.460]  We talked one time about part of the site.
[21:16.900 --> 21:18.260]  Oh, I'm confused though.
[21:18.260 --> 21:18.740]  It's three.
[21:18.740 --> 21:19.140]  It's three.
[21:19.140 --> 21:19.460]  Okay.
[21:19.460 --> 21:19.860]  Excuse me.
[21:19.860 --> 21:23.140]  Four or two.
[21:23.140 --> 21:23.540]  Okay.
[21:24.660 --> 21:25.380]  Access is over.
[21:25.380 --> 21:26.420]  It should be a church.
[21:26.420 --> 21:27.940]  We talked about didn't access to Coast Red Brea Church.
[21:27.940 --> 21:29.220]  It would be good if you had site three.
[21:29.780 --> 21:31.060]  Any comments about site three?
[21:36.180 --> 21:36.580]  Questions?
[21:36.580 --> 21:36.900]  Okay.
[21:38.100 --> 21:38.740]  Site 12.
[21:38.740 --> 21:50.820]  The large site there that runs on Coles right over on Hartman Drive.
[21:51.380 --> 21:52.660]  I was at 350 acres.
[21:52.660 --> 21:53.780]  Did not need, I believe.
[21:53.780 --> 21:58.020]  Steve G. Show was a site, a layout down near Hartman Drive, if I remember correctly.
[22:01.460 --> 22:05.780]  The site would not need to acquire the entire track if it was, if it was a.
[22:05.780 --> 22:12.580]  Any comments on track, question on track site?
[22:12.580 --> 22:12.980]  12.
[22:15.540 --> 22:15.940]  Okay.
[22:15.940 --> 22:18.340]  Last one here about this group is, is a site 10.
[22:19.300 --> 22:20.500]  It's probably real close here.
[22:27.140 --> 22:28.260]  Site 10 is pretty close.
[22:28.260 --> 22:29.780]  It's on Codesbury Pike there.
[22:30.340 --> 22:32.500]  It goes up back towards the landfill, if you remember.
[22:32.500 --> 22:34.900]  It is a landfill property.
[22:34.900 --> 22:35.860]  Site 21 on top.
[22:35.860 --> 22:37.140]  That's a landfill property.
[22:38.900 --> 22:39.700]  And two acres.
[22:41.540 --> 22:41.860]  All right.
[22:41.860 --> 22:44.740]  The motion for now stops at that point right there.
[22:44.740 --> 22:45.780]  That's where we are right now.
[22:46.420 --> 22:47.620]  We're looking at more of these right now.
[22:47.620 --> 22:49.540]  We're going to talk about the Maple Hill site for a minute.
[22:49.540 --> 22:50.100]  Can we?
[22:51.300 --> 22:52.340]  We've got a motion on the floor.
[22:52.340 --> 22:52.980]  We have a second.
[22:52.980 --> 22:54.500]  We're discussing it now, but that site.
[22:56.900 --> 22:58.980]  I guess I'd have to ask the folks that made most of that.
[22:58.980 --> 23:00.740]  Can we talk about the Maple Hill site right now?
[23:00.740 --> 23:01.380]  Sure.
[23:01.380 --> 23:01.940]  Before we vote?
[23:01.940 --> 23:02.340]  Sure.
[23:02.340 --> 23:02.500]  Yeah.
[23:02.500 --> 23:02.740]  Okay.
[23:02.740 --> 23:04.180]  If you don't mind, pull it over there.
[23:05.620 --> 23:06.100]  Hold on.
[23:06.100 --> 23:06.420]  You're right.
[23:06.420 --> 23:07.220]  That's right, Regina.
[23:07.780 --> 23:08.100]  Okay.
[23:10.580 --> 23:11.460]  You follow Maple Hill Road.
[23:11.460 --> 23:12.500]  Maple Road's at the bottom.
[23:12.500 --> 23:13.780]  It goes back to the bottom of the map.
[23:13.780 --> 23:15.780]  It goes back to Highway 70.
[23:15.780 --> 23:16.980]  Head out if you know the area.
[23:17.540 --> 23:18.260]  There you go, Regina.
[23:18.260 --> 23:18.660]  Thank you.
[23:21.700 --> 23:23.140]  You're heading north on Maple Hill Road.
[23:23.140 --> 23:28.020]  She's called it for us now.
[23:28.020 --> 23:29.300]  I'm glad it's you, Regina, not me.
[23:30.260 --> 23:30.900]  It's the site there.
[23:30.900 --> 23:32.580]  It's 150 acres in green there.
[23:33.940 --> 23:39.700]  It does have some statuses for as annexation and zoning.
[23:40.260 --> 23:41.300]  Y'all help me out there, Regina.
[23:41.300 --> 23:47.220]  I know it's got some zoning already intact that does allow for multifamily.
[23:47.220 --> 23:48.260]  Am I correct to say that?
[23:48.260 --> 23:50.260]  Single-family homes.
[23:50.260 --> 23:50.900]  Single-family homes.
[23:50.900 --> 23:51.220]  Okay.
[23:53.940 --> 23:59.940]  The owner, developer reached out to me and said that he would talk to us if we wanted them to sit.
[24:09.940 --> 24:15.060]  From an infrastructure perspective, could we, could Regina and Steve talk about that?
[24:15.060 --> 24:20.580]  And, Jennifer, I think, Steve, you can generally talk about its site at some of the sites, I believe.
[24:21.540 --> 24:21.940]  Yeah.
[24:21.940 --> 24:25.940]  I mean, it is directly adjacent to the existing site 8.
[24:25.940 --> 24:32.980]  So, it has some of the same potential issues that we've discussed before with road access.
[24:32.980 --> 24:36.580]  Road is a little more narrow, being it is a county road.
[24:37.220 --> 24:43.460]  There's approximately 30,000 feet of line that would be required to convey flow to the property.
[24:45.060 --> 24:50.820]  So, assuming that you came down Trice Road and then came down that direction,
[24:51.380 --> 24:55.860]  potentially a little bit less if you came across through Carver and back down.
[24:55.860 --> 25:02.260]  So, you know, that might be reduced to 25 or so thousand feet required.
[25:02.260 --> 25:08.900]  So, similar to some of the other sites as far as conveyance and flow to there.
[25:09.700 --> 25:11.700]  We did look at the topography on the site.
[25:11.700 --> 25:12.900]  It is generally flat.
[25:13.780 --> 25:19.940]  From Maple Hill Road to the creek across the 150-acre site, there's about a 25-foot gradient
[25:20.660 --> 25:26.420]  of fall, which is pretty flat compared to a lot of the sites that we've looked at.
[25:26.420 --> 25:29.300]  There's no floodplain on the site.
[25:29.940 --> 25:31.620]  So, it is all usable property.
[25:32.660 --> 25:37.060]  And, obviously, it's large enough that not all of the property would need to be acquired by the
[25:37.060 --> 25:38.340]  city in order to utilize it.
[25:38.340 --> 25:46.260]  Board said just for the first time, you know, this came up, I think,
[25:46.260 --> 25:48.260]  at one of my last names, but it wasn't on our agenda yet.
[25:48.260 --> 25:51.700]  So, we couldn't put it on the agenda until tonight, I guess, to talk about it a little bit.
[25:51.700 --> 25:56.820]  So, I guess our choices are we can add it to the sites.
[25:56.820 --> 25:59.780]  I think we can add it to your motion to say, let's add this site to
[26:00.260 --> 26:03.460]  at least have the mayor reach out to solve the problem officially.
[26:03.460 --> 26:04.740]  What site number do you want to call that?
[26:05.540 --> 26:08.660]  I believe it would be at site 22 or 23.
[26:08.660 --> 26:09.220]  22.
[26:10.020 --> 26:12.260]  This would be, if we want to consider it to be site 22.
[26:13.060 --> 26:14.420]  I think we should.
[26:14.420 --> 26:14.740]  Okay.
[26:14.740 --> 26:15.700]  Okay.
[26:15.700 --> 26:23.780]  I'll make a motion to amend my motion earlier to add site 22, which is parcel 46.
[26:24.820 --> 26:25.060]  Okay.
[26:25.060 --> 26:26.980]  1-01.
[26:28.820 --> 26:29.860]  It's as simple as.
[26:29.860 --> 26:31.060]  Just to amend what I do.
[26:31.060 --> 26:34.260]  Add this, add site 22, it means we'd have, okay, after site 10.
[26:36.020 --> 26:36.420]  Second.
[26:37.540 --> 26:38.180]  Okay.
[26:38.180 --> 26:40.180]  Discussion on this site, this is new.
[26:41.140 --> 26:44.260]  It also is in the city limits now, so I think we should consider it.
[26:44.260 --> 26:45.220]  I agree we should consider it.
[26:45.940 --> 26:46.660]  Other comments?
[26:51.140 --> 26:56.980]  This site, I know when it came through, was needing a pump station or an upgraded one.
[26:57.620 --> 27:00.980]  Would it still require that, Regina?
[27:02.500 --> 27:07.700]  If the plant were to go on that, we would not need a pump station.
[27:08.580 --> 27:13.540]  Where the Summercrest pump station is, there was a gravity line that would have to be extended.
[27:14.260 --> 27:19.060]  But other than that, it would just be the plant itself is already there.
[27:30.340 --> 27:32.180]  Any engineers want to talk on this?
[27:32.180 --> 27:36.820]  I think it was contiguous to eight.
[27:36.820 --> 27:38.100]  Eight scored pretty high.
[27:39.140 --> 27:40.660]  Sounds good to keep it on the list.
[27:45.700 --> 27:47.860]  On that amendment, that's my discussion.
[27:47.860 --> 27:51.140]  Yeah, I believe it's definitely worth adding to the list, for sure.
[27:51.140 --> 27:52.500]  But it's a good point.
[27:52.500 --> 27:56.100]  Eight's in the top 10 or 12, so this one probably would have been two.
[27:57.940 --> 27:58.660]  Other comments?
[28:00.260 --> 28:06.100]  Right now, the motion is, I believe, to recommend these sites 10 and add in 22.
[28:07.220 --> 28:11.860]  This list will go to the mayor for him to reach to contact property owners and get their interest.
[28:11.860 --> 28:13.220]  That's not the motion.
[28:13.780 --> 28:17.940]  We're on the amendment to the motion right now whether to add this site to the list.
[28:17.940 --> 28:19.220]  So we'll vote on that one first.
[28:19.220 --> 28:19.780]  Wait, hold on.
[28:21.140 --> 28:23.540]  Just withdraw your first motions and just do the new motion.
[28:24.580 --> 28:25.620]  We're not voting on anything yet.
[28:25.620 --> 28:26.260]  We're in session.
[28:26.260 --> 28:27.300]  Just withdraw your motions.
[28:27.300 --> 28:27.780]  Turn it on.
[28:27.780 --> 28:31.620]  And just to clarify, his motion wasn't to send it on to the mayor.
[28:31.620 --> 28:34.900]  His motion is to remove certain ones from the list.
[28:34.900 --> 28:43.380]  So do you want me to withdraw the motion to seconds, Ms. Brown?
[28:43.380 --> 28:44.980]  I withdraw my original motion.
[28:44.980 --> 28:45.780]  Do you withdraw?
[28:45.780 --> 28:47.140]  I withdraw my seconds.
[28:47.140 --> 28:47.460]  All right.
[28:49.140 --> 28:55.620]  I make a motion to, in the form of a motion, to remove any properties that have a scoring level
[28:55.620 --> 29:00.420]  of 32.7 or less to be removed from the list and to add site 22.
[29:00.420 --> 29:02.180]  To the list.
[29:02.180 --> 29:02.820]  To the list.
[29:02.820 --> 29:05.620]  And that's my motion.
[29:05.620 --> 29:07.380]  I'll need a second.
[29:07.380 --> 29:07.700]  Second.
[29:10.020 --> 29:11.300]  I see we have 12 slides.
[29:11.300 --> 29:12.900]  I'm counting right quick.
[29:12.900 --> 29:13.700]  There'll be 12 slides.
[29:13.700 --> 29:14.340]  Everybody agree?
[29:14.340 --> 29:15.300]  Yes, sir.
[29:15.300 --> 29:19.060]  Do you care just to walk through those remaining signs?
[29:22.100 --> 29:23.300]  Prior to voting on that.
[29:23.300 --> 29:24.900]  We've got a motion second on the floor right now, though.
[29:24.900 --> 29:26.500]  We'll discuss that motion in a second.
[29:26.500 --> 29:27.300]  That motion?
[29:27.300 --> 29:27.700]  Yes, sir.
[29:29.140 --> 29:29.460]  Okay.
[29:29.460 --> 29:31.300]  What do you want to discuss on the motion on the floor?
[29:31.300 --> 29:35.700]  Prior to voting on it, can we finish reviewing the remainder of the sites?
[29:38.100 --> 29:40.900]  We've already reviewed them, like, three or four meetings now.
[29:40.900 --> 29:45.220]  The motion was to consider one through, slides through 10, plus 22.
[29:48.340 --> 29:48.820]  Follow me.
[29:48.820 --> 29:52.900]  Are you asking to review just all of them before we take them off?
[29:52.900 --> 29:53.780]  Is that what you're wanting?
[29:53.780 --> 29:54.740]  I'm okay with that.
[29:54.740 --> 29:55.620]  I'm okay with that.
[29:55.620 --> 29:55.700]  I'm okay with that.
[29:55.700 --> 29:56.580]  I'm okay with that.
[29:56.580 --> 29:56.820]  Yeah.
[29:56.820 --> 29:59.860]  The motion's on hold for a moment again, all right?
[30:01.380 --> 30:02.740]  You're going to look at site six.
[30:04.500 --> 30:05.940]  Regina, pull the site six up.
[30:05.940 --> 30:15.540]  It's directly north of site seven.
[30:15.540 --> 30:16.980]  It's on Colesbury Pike there.
[30:18.020 --> 30:18.740]  Right here at the creek.
[30:20.180 --> 30:22.980]  Not just a little, I guess, west of Breer Church Road.
[30:23.700 --> 30:26.660]  And once again, large farm, 200-plus acres.
[30:26.660 --> 30:29.060]  We would not, the city would not need the entire farm, obviously.
[30:29.060 --> 30:36.260]  Any other comments on site six?
[30:36.260 --> 30:37.140]  Okay, 15?
[30:48.580 --> 30:50.340]  It's the TWRA site, right?
[30:50.340 --> 30:51.220]  This is the city's site.
[30:51.220 --> 30:52.580]  That's the old TRW.
[30:52.580 --> 30:53.860]  TRW, yeah.
[30:53.860 --> 30:59.300]  I was on that side.
[30:59.300 --> 31:00.260]  Any questions about that side?
[31:00.260 --> 31:01.620]  Well, I do have a comment.
[31:03.860 --> 31:09.940]  So, even if we keep Cracker Barrel on there and Permapite on there,
[31:11.940 --> 31:17.460]  as engineers, you all don't feel like we'll need to go south of that
[31:17.460 --> 31:19.620]  to acquire any property for the future.
[31:19.620 --> 31:26.020]  Will we need this property at all if we decide on the
[31:28.020 --> 31:30.260]  Cracker Barrel or the Permapite site?
[31:32.100 --> 31:34.260]  I guess my response is, Camila, if you need it,
[31:34.260 --> 31:35.700]  it takes four votes to use it.
[31:35.700 --> 31:36.820]  It's your city property.
[31:38.340 --> 31:38.580]  Okay.
[31:38.580 --> 31:39.860]  There's nothing.
[31:39.860 --> 31:42.260]  This committee obviously ranked it poorly.
[31:42.260 --> 31:43.220]  Okay.
[31:44.500 --> 31:45.220]  Just making sure.
[31:45.220 --> 31:51.700]  I think it's in the proximity of the existing facility.
[31:51.700 --> 31:52.980]  It's owned by the city.
[31:54.180 --> 31:56.900]  I think it's hard to remove it from the list, in my opinion.
[32:00.100 --> 32:01.780]  It's not as big as it looks.
[32:03.860 --> 32:06.500]  I mean, I've seen the environmental reports on it,
[32:06.500 --> 32:10.260]  and the east end of that property is pretty messed up.
[32:10.260 --> 32:12.820]  I mean, it would be expensive.
[32:12.820 --> 32:15.540]  It would be a big permitting deal to do it.
[32:15.540 --> 32:18.020]  I don't know that TDEC would let you do that.
[32:19.860 --> 32:20.260]  Okay.
[32:24.260 --> 32:27.700]  More discussion on the City of Lebanon and the old TRW site.
[32:27.700 --> 32:36.420]  Well, we're going to go down to the school site 4 and 17,
[32:36.420 --> 32:37.700]  at least, see where we are.
[32:37.700 --> 32:38.260]  Site 4.
[32:39.140 --> 32:40.420]  Look at everything 30 and above.
[32:43.220 --> 32:43.780]  Site 4.
[32:44.660 --> 32:46.500]  This is my statement was up the corner of the church,
[32:46.500 --> 32:47.460]  right behind the church.
[32:49.460 --> 32:51.380]  Now, I do think if site 3 was chosen,
[32:51.380 --> 32:54.420]  the city should consider getting part of site 4 to get access to Causeware Pike.
[32:54.420 --> 32:57.780]  It's just a comment.
[32:59.140 --> 32:59.620]  I'm sorry.
[33:01.300 --> 33:02.100]  Everybody follow me?
[33:02.100 --> 33:02.420]  Yes.
[33:02.420 --> 33:03.860]  If site 3 was chosen,
[33:04.500 --> 33:07.300]  site 4 would be nice to have access down to Causeware Pike.
[33:07.300 --> 33:10.180]  You think about functionality and accessibility.
[33:15.780 --> 33:16.420]  By itself.
[33:17.460 --> 33:20.100]  It's a little smaller, too, than just only 49 acres.
[33:20.100 --> 33:24.820]  Do you want it ranked a little lower?
[33:25.380 --> 33:25.620]  All right.
[33:25.620 --> 33:28.260]  We got another one there at site 17 at a ranking of 30.
[33:28.820 --> 33:29.620]  Let's go of 30.
[33:36.180 --> 33:41.940]  Well, I guess there's no reason that we can't bring it back if we choose, right?
[33:42.740 --> 33:45.060]  I mean, we're not completely taking it.
[33:45.060 --> 33:48.660]  I mean, we can completely take them off and then add one back if we need to, right?
[33:48.660 --> 33:50.820]  I don't want to read it again.
[33:51.380 --> 33:54.740]  We're recommending sites that would work for a wastewater plant.
[33:55.940 --> 34:00.420]  And I think the next step is for them to contact people to try to find a woodland seller.
[34:01.060 --> 34:03.220]  If he finds woodland sellers, he'll come back to us and say,
[34:03.220 --> 34:05.460]  here's two or three sites of woodland sellers.
[34:05.460 --> 34:06.420]  Now, what do y'all think?
[34:07.060 --> 34:09.460]  At the end of the day, the city council makes a final decision.
[34:09.460 --> 34:11.220]  But here's a process here.
[34:11.220 --> 34:13.540]  We've had a lot of discussion for three or four meetings here.
[34:13.540 --> 34:14.420]  We're doing a good job here.
[34:14.420 --> 34:18.260]  I think of we don't all, all the, all the growing on these numbers here, but
[34:18.260 --> 34:22.820]  if we get the, if we turn in eight or 10 sites and there's nobody willing to sell,
[34:23.540 --> 34:24.980]  then I guess we're back here for sure.
[34:25.620 --> 34:25.860]  Okay.
[34:27.940 --> 34:29.620]  That's kind of where I'm at, Jeff.
[34:29.620 --> 34:31.540]  Let's find out who's willing to sell.
[34:32.980 --> 34:35.060]  If anybody, and I'll be honest,
[34:37.380 --> 34:43.300]  I'd be pretty quiet if I was because it's kind of like being a sheep killing dog.
[34:43.300 --> 34:48.900]  I mean, you're just going to be, it's a, it's not a good thing if, if you're out there amongst
[34:48.900 --> 34:49.460]  everybody.
[34:49.460 --> 34:53.540]  So I, I want to be sure the city was going to do it before I said I would sell it.
[34:53.540 --> 34:55.780]  I want to make sure they would be willing to do it.
[34:55.780 --> 34:57.300]  So it's kind of a tough call.
[34:57.300 --> 35:00.820]  And the reason I think with that point is because it's been very clear from the mayor's office,
[35:00.820 --> 35:02.980]  you know, on radio, et cetera, from the council people here,
[35:03.620 --> 35:05.780]  there's no intent to condemn anybody's property.
[35:06.340 --> 35:10.020]  So why don't we move forward with these sites here to let the mayor make contact,
[35:10.020 --> 35:11.620]  see who's the willing seller.
[35:11.620 --> 35:14.740]  If not, we still got a couple of sites in the city.
[35:14.740 --> 35:18.740]  I'm just saying we may not need to couch it as that's the reason these sites come back,
[35:18.740 --> 35:21.940]  because that's going to tell everybody that those folks are willing to sell,
[35:22.500 --> 35:26.260]  when maybe we don't need to disclose that if you're not the one picked.
[35:26.260 --> 35:28.580]  So just, I'd be careful.
[35:28.580 --> 35:32.500]  But even our current matrix that we're looking at tonight, our matrix for the second round,
[35:32.500 --> 35:34.980]  includes a category of willing seller.
[35:34.980 --> 35:35.940]  Correct.
[35:35.940 --> 35:38.340]  You can't do that matrix until we have a willing seller.
[35:38.340 --> 35:38.900]  Yeah.
[35:38.900 --> 35:39.300]  I agree.
[35:39.300 --> 35:40.260]  I mean, this is very much the common sense.
[35:40.260 --> 35:40.900]  We shouldn't.
[35:40.900 --> 35:41.380]  I agree.
[35:41.380 --> 35:43.540]  How do you do a matrix that's willing to sell her?
[35:43.540 --> 35:44.580]  You don't, you don't know.
[35:44.580 --> 35:45.060]  Right.
[35:45.060 --> 35:45.780]  You got to ask.
[35:45.780 --> 35:47.060]  At some point, properties have to hit the call.
[35:47.060 --> 35:48.100]  Somebody's got to ask.
[35:48.100 --> 35:48.580]  That's right.
[35:48.580 --> 35:50.980]  During a long time, y'all know this, sometimes money talks.
[35:51.780 --> 35:55.460]  Sometimes someone will make a deal because they won't, they just want to make a deal.
[35:55.460 --> 35:57.300]  So that's my 10 cents worth there.
[35:57.300 --> 35:57.860]  Comments.
[35:58.580 --> 36:01.940]  Yeah, we've been through, do we need to go through any more sites?
[36:01.940 --> 36:03.300]  We've been through site 17.
[36:03.300 --> 36:04.740]  I'd like to make a comment.
[36:04.740 --> 36:07.060]  You know, there's a lot, back to site 13.
[36:07.060 --> 36:12.020]  It's, again, clear 10 to 12 points ahead of all of them.
[36:13.300 --> 36:14.740]  There's a lot of discrepancies.
[36:16.340 --> 36:21.220]  Personally, I can see the differences in how I scored, probably.
[36:21.220 --> 36:27.780]  Why would we not elevate this to the council, though, to move?
[36:29.140 --> 36:34.820]  I mean, you guys that are engineers are much smarter than me as a citizen on this type of stuff,
[36:34.820 --> 36:36.900]  and I agreed with you on site 13.
[36:36.900 --> 36:42.500]  So I just feel like we should elevate that somehow to our council.
[36:42.500 --> 36:45.940]  I'm going to go to the mayor's office first for him to reach out.
[36:45.940 --> 36:46.260]  Yeah.
[36:46.260 --> 36:51.300]  But, I mean, that's why I did the motion to eliminate it 32.7 and below.
[36:51.300 --> 36:55.140]  And, Dave, I think you're actually on the target process.
[36:55.140 --> 36:56.740]  He is at those mayor's office first.
[36:56.740 --> 36:57.540]  No, I understand that.
[36:57.540 --> 36:59.220]  He puts on the agenda.
[36:59.220 --> 37:04.100]  I guess the point is we're clearly in agreeance that site 13 is really good, Jeff.
[37:04.100 --> 37:04.660]  That's right.
[37:04.660 --> 37:09.220]  And I want the mayor's office to understand that, and I think the council has to elevate
[37:09.220 --> 37:10.260]  that for this commission.
[37:11.060 --> 37:11.780]  That's what I believe.
[37:12.740 --> 37:13.860]  So if y'all could help with that.
[37:13.860 --> 37:15.700]  See these rankings and understand that.
[37:15.700 --> 37:15.860]  Okay.
[37:15.860 --> 37:16.500]  That's true.
[37:16.500 --> 37:21.780]  But I think our charge was, and I agree totally with what you're saying.
[37:21.780 --> 37:22.580]  Thank you.
[37:22.580 --> 37:25.780]  But when they see that there's that much difference in the score,
[37:25.780 --> 37:29.940]  and I would hope that that would make their decision easy.
[37:29.940 --> 37:30.580]  Yeah.
[37:30.580 --> 37:34.100]  Or I could come to the council meeting and stand at the podium and recommend to the
[37:34.100 --> 37:39.060]  council at that point that site 13 clearly scored with a group of commissioners
[37:39.700 --> 37:41.060]  consistently higher.
[37:41.860 --> 37:42.900]  It's obvious.
[37:42.900 --> 37:45.300]  So that will be what I would do at that point.
[37:45.300 --> 37:45.860]  So, okay.
[37:45.860 --> 37:46.100]  Thanks.
[37:46.100 --> 37:49.300]  Well, I think we've got to honor the process we were charged with.
[37:49.300 --> 37:50.020]  I agree.
[37:50.020 --> 37:50.420]  I agree.
[37:50.420 --> 37:50.740]  That's great.
[37:52.020 --> 37:55.140]  I just feel like we should elevate the attention on it, though.
[37:56.260 --> 37:56.980]  The score does it.
[37:56.980 --> 37:57.940]  It's ranked number one.
[37:57.940 --> 37:58.500]  Yes.
[37:58.500 --> 37:59.140]  It's definitely one.
[37:59.140 --> 38:00.020]  That's what we've done our part.
[38:00.020 --> 38:00.500]  It's ranked number one.
[38:00.500 --> 38:00.980]  Thank you.
[38:00.980 --> 38:01.540]  Thank you, Jeff.
[38:01.540 --> 38:06.420]  I do want to remind everybody at the very first committee meeting that we had when Mayor
[38:06.420 --> 38:12.340]  Bell was here, Rockwood's site was the site that he had started to focus on, that we had
[38:12.340 --> 38:13.460]  started to focus on.
[38:13.460 --> 38:19.380]  But then, you know, the resolution came and the committee was formed, and our task now,
[38:19.380 --> 38:24.740]  I don't have the resolution in front of me, is to have three sites that we present to city council.
[38:24.740 --> 38:29.300]  So, I think that's what we're trying to get to right now, is where are those three sites?
[38:29.300 --> 38:31.300]  Do we have three willing sellers?
[38:31.300 --> 38:36.100]  Because that was also part of it that I think everybody kind of made clear, is we wanted willing
[38:36.100 --> 38:36.660]  sellers.
[38:36.660 --> 38:36.900]  Great.
[38:36.900 --> 38:39.700]  And are they a willing seller, from your recollection of any of that?
[38:39.700 --> 38:40.260]  Rockwood.
[38:40.260 --> 38:41.540]  They were back then.
[38:41.540 --> 38:41.620]  They were.
[38:41.620 --> 38:42.820]  I assume they still are.
[38:42.820 --> 38:43.060]  Yes.
[38:43.060 --> 38:43.460]  Okay.
[38:43.460 --> 38:44.020]  Thank you.
[38:44.020 --> 38:46.900]  Rockwood is one of, though, about four or five more on this side.
[38:46.900 --> 38:47.540]  Yeah, I know.
[38:47.540 --> 38:49.540]  This side, they may want a whole lot more forward.
[38:49.540 --> 38:54.420]  That's, it's part of the process.
[38:54.420 --> 38:56.260]  When you're at the top of the list, you get more attention.
[38:56.260 --> 38:56.660]  That's correct.
[38:56.660 --> 38:58.180]  Negotiations are different.
[38:58.180 --> 38:59.940]  But I do think we're all on the same page here.
[38:59.940 --> 39:00.660]  We were asked.
[39:00.660 --> 39:03.300]  And I think the difference here is, that would be the mayor's call.
[39:04.180 --> 39:07.620]  I think what he's iniquity, you want to reach out to people, because that's a key
[39:07.620 --> 39:10.820]  component of this whole equation is, are there willing sellers?
[39:10.820 --> 39:11.620]  Yeah.
[39:12.900 --> 39:17.140]  So, I think what he wants to do is reach out to whoever we come up with, find willing sellers,
[39:17.140 --> 39:19.780]  and that's why I anticipate he'll come back to us one more time.
[39:19.780 --> 39:24.020]  If there are, wouldn't they say there's three sites that become, say there's three sites
[39:24.020 --> 39:24.500]  to come finally.
[39:24.500 --> 39:28.500]  So, he may want our rankings then of the top three, using that other matrix, for example.
[39:28.500 --> 39:28.900]  Sure.
[39:28.900 --> 39:34.340]  With what they just said, I mean, should we just send to the mayor's office 35 and above,
[39:34.340 --> 39:37.060]  plus site 22, or what was it?
[39:38.660 --> 39:41.300]  On the floor right now, everything through 10 plus 22.
[39:42.500 --> 39:43.700]  Discussion or?
[39:43.700 --> 39:45.700]  Do y'all want to finish going through Caleb's?
[39:45.700 --> 39:49.140]  I'm fine stopping and gave me a minute to look through it,
[39:49.140 --> 39:53.780]  but I'd like to make an amendment to the motion to add site 15 and site 17.
[39:54.340 --> 40:00.500]  They're currently owned by the city, as I would assume the city would be a willing developer.
[40:00.500 --> 40:01.380]  I'll second that.
[40:04.660 --> 40:09.300]  So, we haven't actually voted on the original motion yet.
[40:09.300 --> 40:12.260]  We'll vote on the amendment first and then vote on the original.
[40:12.260 --> 40:12.660]  Okay.
[40:12.660 --> 40:13.780]  Let's vote on what we want to add.
[40:13.780 --> 40:14.260]  Let's see.
[40:14.260 --> 40:14.740]  Hit me again.
[40:14.740 --> 40:14.980]  Okay.
[40:14.980 --> 40:15.700]  The 15 and…
[40:15.700 --> 40:16.820]  Which one did you second, Taylor?
[40:16.820 --> 40:22.660]  The TRW site, site 15, and then the city utility site, site 17.
[40:25.140 --> 40:26.260]  So, we're now discussing…
[40:26.260 --> 40:27.540]  We're actually discussing the amendment.
[40:27.540 --> 40:28.820]  So, we've been discussing the amendment.
[40:28.820 --> 40:30.260]  It's add 15 and 17.
[40:30.260 --> 40:37.620]  My discussion is, I think we spoke enough through site 10.
[40:38.580 --> 40:39.380]  I believe we spoke.
[40:39.380 --> 40:40.020]  I'm with you, Joe.
[40:40.020 --> 40:41.540]  I didn't know so much about the TRW site.
[40:41.540 --> 40:43.700]  I'm not interested in voting anymore to the…
[40:43.700 --> 40:45.140]  I think we've got enough on there, personally.
[40:45.140 --> 40:46.020]  Agreed.
[40:49.300 --> 40:51.780]  If those first 10 or so don't work out, we'll be back.
[40:51.780 --> 40:52.740]  That's me.
[40:52.740 --> 40:53.460]  That's me.
[40:53.460 --> 40:54.500]  Do you want to make it 10?
[40:55.140 --> 40:56.660]  I'm just saying I would not any…
[40:56.660 --> 40:59.940]  I think I would stop through site 10 plus 22.
[40:59.940 --> 41:01.780]  I'm just saying I would vote no one on the amendment.
[41:02.580 --> 41:03.220]  That's what I'm saying.
[41:04.420 --> 41:04.900]  I'm following.
[41:04.900 --> 41:05.460]  I'm following.
[41:05.460 --> 41:06.180]  I'm understanding what you're saying.
[41:06.180 --> 41:07.380]  Talk before we vote, you know.
[41:08.980 --> 41:12.020]  I just think, you know, like we talked about the matrix.
[41:12.020 --> 41:14.500]  The matrix is at a height level.
[41:15.140 --> 41:18.340]  We haven't really dug into a lot of the details that you're going to dig into
[41:18.340 --> 41:19.380]  each one of these sites.
[41:19.380 --> 41:25.380]  And for both these to be owned by the city, I think it's too early to pull them off the table
[41:26.020 --> 41:26.740]  based on that.
[41:27.540 --> 41:29.460]  But I understand Jody's comments.
[41:29.460 --> 41:31.620]  Those aren't going to be easy sites to develop.
[41:31.620 --> 41:36.900]  It's going to take challenges, but I just think they're worth digging into.
[41:39.300 --> 41:42.020]  The amendment is to add 15 and 17.
[41:42.660 --> 41:43.380]  Any more discussion?
[41:44.580 --> 41:46.900]  I'm in favor of adding 15 and 17 with I.
[41:46.900 --> 41:47.460]  Aye.
[41:47.460 --> 41:47.860]  Aye.
[41:47.860 --> 41:48.340]  Aye.
[41:48.340 --> 41:48.580]  No.
[41:48.580 --> 41:50.340]  Just with ayes first.
[41:51.220 --> 41:51.540]  Ayes.
[41:52.900 --> 41:53.540]  Is that here too?
[41:53.540 --> 41:54.740]  No.
[41:54.740 --> 41:55.620]  No.
[41:55.620 --> 41:55.700]  No.
[41:55.700 --> 41:56.020]  No.
[41:56.020 --> 41:58.340]  I'm curious.
[41:58.340 --> 41:59.860]  We're with the original motion now.
[41:59.860 --> 42:04.340]  We're ready to vote on the original motion, which is through site 10 plus site 22,
[42:04.340 --> 42:05.380]  a total of 11 sites.
[42:05.380 --> 42:05.780]  Yes.
[42:05.780 --> 42:07.460]  Ready to vote on that motion?
[42:07.460 --> 42:09.460]  I want to vote for aye.
[42:09.460 --> 42:09.940]  Aye.
[42:09.940 --> 42:11.300]  You opposed?
[42:12.660 --> 42:13.380]  Let's do that again.
[42:14.500 --> 42:15.140]  Still a roll call.
[42:15.140 --> 42:16.020]  We're going to get the hang of this.
[42:16.020 --> 42:16.900]  We're going to do a roll call.
[42:16.900 --> 42:17.460]  Vote in one.
[42:17.460 --> 42:18.180]  Let's do a roll call.
[42:18.180 --> 42:19.220]  Call the roll here.
[42:19.220 --> 42:21.860]  This is the motion to, for the original motion, to put the original motion.
[42:27.220 --> 42:27.700]  Faines.
[42:27.700 --> 42:28.180]  Aye.
[42:30.500 --> 42:31.460]  Ena Santana.
[42:31.460 --> 42:31.860]  Aye.
[42:34.180 --> 42:34.980]  Jody Vance.
[42:34.980 --> 42:35.620]  Aye.
[42:37.220 --> 42:38.020]  Tom Clements.
[42:38.020 --> 42:38.580]  Aye.
[42:38.580 --> 42:49.780]  We got a list to go forward to this at this point.
[42:49.780 --> 42:51.780]  And again, that list will be submitted to the mayor.
[42:51.780 --> 42:52.980]  Wait a minute, wait a minute.
[42:52.980 --> 42:54.900]  The motion was to remove the ones below that.
[42:54.900 --> 42:58.900]  We have not said we're sending anything on to the mayor and council.
[42:58.900 --> 42:59.940]  Very good.
[42:59.940 --> 43:04.980]  So do you want to announce the ones that are removed?
[43:04.980 --> 43:20.020]  It's okay, but she's got a handle.
[43:20.020 --> 43:25.300]  But again, I want to say it's a recommendation.
[43:25.300 --> 43:26.420]  They can all come back.
[43:26.420 --> 43:27.220]  Sorry folks.
[43:27.220 --> 43:31.300]  You know, we're not making a recommendation to go with those top 11 sites.
[43:33.940 --> 43:39.140]  And I will say from the council standpoint, you know, this site selection is to select
[43:39.140 --> 43:42.820]  sites for recommendation to the city council.
[43:44.660 --> 43:47.140]  Not just the mayor, but the mayor and city council.
[43:48.740 --> 43:55.220]  You know, I hope we have, I understand and I rank this one very high myself.
[43:55.220 --> 44:01.460]  Um, but we also, another thing that the city council has to decide is the cost.
[44:01.460 --> 44:05.700]  Because it is our cost to our taxpayers and to our right payers.
[44:05.700 --> 44:08.580]  So we are considering more than just a site.
[44:09.140 --> 44:13.460]  Um, you know, um, not just the infrastructure part.
[44:13.460 --> 44:18.740]  Um, so we do need to have, you know, a selection process.
[44:19.380 --> 44:22.340]  Because we don't know what all this is going to cost.
[44:22.340 --> 44:26.900]  And we've also got to select, um, what type of plant that is going to be.
[44:26.900 --> 44:30.260]  So, um, yeah, not to jump ahead.
[44:30.820 --> 44:34.100]  You know, we've said Rockwood is, is very high up there.
[44:34.100 --> 44:36.180]  But we also don't know price.
[44:36.180 --> 44:40.500]  And we also don't know, um, you know, sellers.
[44:40.500 --> 44:47.940]  And so I do believe that we, that we need, you know, a selection.
[44:47.940 --> 44:52.420]  And several things talked about, in the census here, they'll be considered in this next round.
[44:52.420 --> 44:53.460]  Right.
[44:53.460 --> 44:56.340]  And several things talked about the geotagical part of it.
[44:56.340 --> 44:58.100]  Those costs, there's several things to get into it.
[44:58.100 --> 45:01.700]  But since I did it on 20 or something sites, they're going to do it on three to five.
[45:03.060 --> 45:06.420]  You had said you want to send these sites to the mayor's office.
[45:06.420 --> 45:09.380]  So he can go ahead and start seeing who wants to be a willing seller.
[45:09.380 --> 45:09.780]  Next question.
[45:09.780 --> 45:11.540]  We've not really done that by that motion.
[45:11.540 --> 45:16.260]  I'll make a motion to send the ones we just approved to the mayor's office to see
[45:16.260 --> 45:19.700]  who was a willing seller so that we can bring it back to us and go to our matrix.
[45:21.940 --> 45:22.980]  As you discussed earlier.
[45:24.580 --> 45:26.580]  We've got a willing seller option on it, correct?
[45:26.580 --> 45:26.900]  Correct.
[45:26.900 --> 45:28.180]  So we'll need to know that before.
[45:28.180 --> 45:29.620]  The matrix, you have it with you, too.
[45:29.620 --> 45:30.340]  It's on there.
[45:30.340 --> 45:34.340]  But the motion is to send photos from the mayor to contact the prompt owners.
[45:34.340 --> 45:35.460]  I'd say it.
[45:36.420 --> 45:38.340]  We've got a motion seconded for the list on the mayor.
[45:38.980 --> 45:39.940]  Discussion on that motion.
[45:39.940 --> 45:43.620]  Complete discussion.
[45:43.620 --> 45:49.380]  You know, we had many meetings leading up to this point that discussed when we got to this point,
[45:50.100 --> 45:53.940]  we weren't just going to send these on, no matter what the matrix showed.
[45:53.940 --> 45:56.180]  And then all of a sudden tonight, we're at this point.
[45:56.180 --> 45:57.460]  Now it's different.
[45:58.100 --> 46:05.060]  And it's, you know, similar to sometimes you walk into what you assume is going to be around the corner.
[46:05.060 --> 46:08.420]  You probably know what's going to be there, but then you hope it's not going to jump out at you.
[46:08.420 --> 46:09.780]  That's not what my motion is.
[46:09.780 --> 46:11.780]  It's to send it to the mayor's office, not to the council.
[46:11.780 --> 46:13.460]  And then it comes back to us.
[46:13.460 --> 46:15.460]  Understood.
[46:15.460 --> 46:15.860]  Go ahead, Ken.
[46:15.860 --> 46:16.420]  Understood.
[46:16.420 --> 46:24.180]  But we, as a committee, we're planning to, like, look at a thorough matrix evaluation.
[46:25.140 --> 46:31.940]  We haven't even discussed that next matrix evaluation that has one item in there that says willing seller.
[46:31.940 --> 46:46.420]  You know, there's a lot of other factors that go in why you want to go talk to someone about putting a sewer treatment plant on their property near some other properties or around any other property.
[46:46.420 --> 46:52.100]  So I just don't see that being the absolute end-all in my opinion.
[46:52.100 --> 47:01.780]  And I feel like sticking to our process that we discussed is what we, as a committee, should do versus not.
[47:01.780 --> 47:05.780]  We consider it the deciding factor.
[47:05.780 --> 47:13.460]  I know it's one of the factors and the matrix that I think we're going to talk about next as far as what the, what we want that final matrix to look like.
[47:13.860 --> 47:15.220]  That's one of the criteria.
[47:15.220 --> 47:22.260]  And so we really can't start digging in to the final evaluation process until we know that piece of the puzzle.
[47:23.140 --> 47:27.380]  So I feel like before we can eliminate more, we need to know that.
[47:30.340 --> 47:32.420]  I've had to weigh in with the final evaluation.
[47:35.860 --> 47:39.460]  I mean, it's my thoughts, everybody else's thoughts.
[47:39.460 --> 47:46.500]  Maybe I'm a lone person up here in regard to that, that thought of you, there's other things to peel back here.
[47:47.140 --> 47:58.020]  And it would be appreciative if we could at least talk about the matrix before we move forward with this motion to maybe discuss the details in that matrix.
[47:58.020 --> 48:01.860]  Because we haven't even discussed those topics or.
[48:01.860 --> 48:05.140]  I would agree with Caleb on that.
[48:05.140 --> 48:11.940]  Yeah, I think that's, again, with a motion on the table and a second one discussion of that motion.
[48:11.940 --> 48:23.220]  So I'm hearing you, Caleb, and I think what's different here, I guess where I'm different is the fact that we've got to know someone's interested.
[48:23.220 --> 48:24.820]  I'm not sure what we can do.
[48:24.820 --> 48:30.820]  I'm going to keep talking about the criteria if our leadership is where the political part comes in.
[48:30.820 --> 48:33.300]  And they are saying you're not going to end up in no main.
[48:33.300 --> 48:37.380]  And if my name is on the table, I'd keep a different discussion for me personally.
[48:37.380 --> 48:43.380]  Because I don't know that I think site 13 is the very best site this committee ranked, okay?
[48:43.380 --> 48:48.660]  But if my name is not on the table, there are probably better sites that would be better for the plant, in all honesty.
[48:48.660 --> 48:52.820]  But we've been told that we're not going to end up in no main, any piece of property.
[48:52.820 --> 48:56.260]  I think our hands are tied a little bit there.
[48:56.260 --> 48:57.780]  That's why I guess I'm a little different.
[48:57.780 --> 49:05.780]  If we get down to, we know two or three or four sites that are wooden setters, along with this site 13, it does have to contact at least three of the property owners.
[49:05.780 --> 49:10.180]  If they're wooden setters, they take the top of the list probably, again, if you can afford the sites.
[49:10.740 --> 49:11.860]  I mean, I'll say it now.
[49:11.860 --> 49:14.420]  I'm not going to vote to take anybody's property.
[49:14.420 --> 49:17.140]  If you're not a willing seller, then I'm out on it.
[49:17.140 --> 49:22.100]  So that's why I'm saying send it to the mayor's office, then it comes back to the committee, then we can send it to the committee.
[49:22.100 --> 49:30.260]  But I do agree we're going to end up in the vet sites that are submitted to, I believe the mayor's going to vet those sites one more time.
[49:31.380 --> 49:35.060]  But why don't we want to vet sites that somebody's not interested in selling?
[49:35.060 --> 49:36.660]  I guess that's our dilemma, right?
[49:36.660 --> 49:38.500]  I mean, that's where we're, I guess we're having a different opinion.
[49:40.260 --> 49:42.500]  Others, because we've got a motion.
[49:42.500 --> 49:44.740]  We either got to withdraw the motion or we got to vote on it.
[49:46.740 --> 49:47.620]  I think let's just vote.
[49:49.780 --> 49:51.220]  Any more discussion before we vote on that motion?
[49:51.220 --> 49:53.060]  We can always come back.
[49:54.260 --> 49:55.540]  I'm sorry, sorry, sorry.
[49:59.380 --> 50:00.580]  Good with leaving.
[50:00.580 --> 50:05.140]  I think I'm counting 11 plus the one that we added.
[50:05.140 --> 50:06.100]  So 12 sites.
[50:06.100 --> 50:08.500]  Do we want to leave 12 on for now?
[50:08.500 --> 50:10.340]  That's a motion now to go to the mayor's.
[50:10.340 --> 50:13.460]  I was saying here's the committee's first set of recommendations here.
[50:13.460 --> 50:18.020]  And he advised me he wants to contact those folks, see who and where the sellers are.
[50:18.020 --> 50:22.820]  And we'd come back and have that list, a shorter list probably.
[50:22.820 --> 50:26.180]  If nobody works it out, then we kept what you say, Joey.
[50:26.180 --> 50:30.740]  I'm transparent about it.
[50:30.740 --> 50:34.020]  Well, I guess what I want to say on that.
[50:34.020 --> 50:37.060]  I mean, I don't want to take anybody's property either.
[50:37.060 --> 50:41.220]  But also, we are looking at this for future generations.
[50:41.220 --> 50:47.940]  And I think that this committee's job was to peel back the layers and make sure that we are looking at everything.
[50:47.940 --> 50:54.980]  And there's six people on the council.
[50:54.980 --> 50:58.020]  And I don't know that all six have said that.
[50:58.020 --> 51:02.500]  So I think, you know, the mayor doesn't vote unless it's a tie.
[51:02.500 --> 51:05.540]  So, I mean, it is good to know.
[51:05.540 --> 51:08.340]  And I think we know a lot of people are going to say no.
[51:09.860 --> 51:14.740]  But someone is right that sometimes when money gets involved, people change their minds.
[51:14.740 --> 51:19.940]  So, I think we need to continue on with the process.
[51:20.980 --> 51:22.340]  That is one of the factors.
[51:22.900 --> 51:27.860]  That makes it a real, you know, to go high up that somebody's willing to sell.
[51:27.860 --> 51:31.700]  But I don't think that's a factor to knock something off.
[51:31.700 --> 51:33.460]  It's not the final factor.
[51:33.460 --> 51:36.180]  I'll get the call for the question.
[51:36.180 --> 51:38.100]  We're going to call for the question.
[51:38.100 --> 51:39.540]  I'm afraid what the motion is.
[51:39.540 --> 51:41.140]  I mean.
[51:41.140 --> 51:42.900]  We're going to call for the question.
[51:42.900 --> 51:44.100]  I hear that.
[51:44.100 --> 51:47.860]  But all in favor, the motion with aye.
[51:47.860 --> 51:48.660]  Aye.
[51:48.660 --> 51:49.380]  Aye.
[51:49.380 --> 51:50.100]  Aye.
[51:50.100 --> 51:50.660]  Aye.
[51:50.660 --> 51:51.140]  Aye.
[51:51.140 --> 51:52.180]  Aye.
[51:52.180 --> 51:53.140]  Opposed to the motion.
[51:54.340 --> 51:56.340]  Just to make it clear, do you want to roll call it?
[51:56.340 --> 51:56.580]  Yeah.
[51:57.300 --> 51:57.780]  Roll call.
[51:57.780 --> 52:02.740]  The motion to send those 12 slides to the mayor's office.
[52:06.020 --> 52:07.060]  Chair Baines.
[52:07.060 --> 52:07.300]  Yes.
[52:09.700 --> 52:11.140]  Regina Santana.
[52:11.140 --> 52:11.380]  Yes.
[52:11.380 --> 52:14.020]  Jody Vance.
[52:14.020 --> 52:14.500]  Yes.
[52:16.100 --> 52:16.900]  Tom Clemons.
[52:16.900 --> 52:17.220]  Yes.
[52:20.740 --> 52:20.980]  Yes.
[52:20.980 --> 52:22.900]  Camille Burdon.
[52:24.180 --> 52:24.420]  No.
[52:25.940 --> 52:26.820]  Caleb Dorn.
[52:26.820 --> 52:27.140]  No.
[52:27.140 --> 52:28.660]  Dave Dixon.
[52:28.660 --> 52:29.540]  No.
[52:29.540 --> 52:31.140]  Randy Lane.
[52:31.140 --> 52:31.700]  Yes.
[52:31.700 --> 52:32.340]  Yes.
[52:32.340 --> 52:32.900]  Yes.
[52:32.900 --> 52:33.300]  That count.
[52:33.300 --> 52:37.300]  Get ready.
[52:41.300 --> 52:42.500]  Get the count for sure.
[52:42.500 --> 52:43.620]  Seven yeses.
[52:43.620 --> 52:44.420]  Three noes.
[52:44.420 --> 52:45.300]  The motion is carried.
[52:45.300 --> 52:45.620]  Okay.
[52:46.340 --> 52:46.580]  All right.
[52:46.580 --> 52:47.700]  Let's go back to our agenda.
[52:47.700 --> 52:48.820]  Let's talk about this matrix.
[52:50.340 --> 52:55.540]  Because once we get some slides back, a short list, we have to have some character to help the city
[52:55.540 --> 52:57.460]  mayor and city to finalize that list.
[52:58.660 --> 53:01.380]  Everybody should have a copy at their desk, I believe.
[53:01.940 --> 53:03.060]  It's on the screen as well.
[53:03.940 --> 53:06.660]  Jody, I know you've been sort of behind this one a little bit again.
[53:06.660 --> 53:08.980]  So, you know, you all want to take the lead on this one, please?
[53:08.980 --> 53:12.180]  Okay.
[53:14.420 --> 53:15.620]  I'll lead off with a question.
[53:17.700 --> 53:22.820]  Are we going to maintain the same site number as we go through this process?
[53:22.820 --> 53:27.300]  And the reason that matters on the matrix is just what we label each column for the sites.
[53:27.300 --> 53:33.940]  We're going to just ‑‑ it's still going to be numbered 13, 14, 2, 7, 5, 10.
[53:34.660 --> 53:35.620]  I think you should.
[53:35.620 --> 53:36.980]  It's just easier to understand.
[53:36.980 --> 53:40.100]  If everybody's in the room here to keep the same numbers.
[53:40.100 --> 53:41.300]  All right.
[53:44.660 --> 53:52.740]  When Regina and I talked about this last week, this is presented to you guys as a draft.
[53:53.380 --> 53:57.780]  We accept any other criteria that you want to put in there or strike any if you think they're
[53:57.780 --> 53:58.420]  repetitive.
[53:58.420 --> 54:02.900]  But right now, we've still got the original five items in there.
[54:04.020 --> 54:04.820]  We left that.
[54:04.820 --> 54:09.060]  It might be a good idea to lead that because we're going to be digging deeper into each of these sites.
[54:09.620 --> 54:13.060]  They might score differently now than they did first time.
[54:13.860 --> 54:16.020]  That's up for discussion if you want to.
[54:16.580 --> 54:18.820]  But in addition to that, we've added three more.
[54:18.820 --> 54:27.620]  And let's see, cost, which has already been mentioned tonight.
[54:27.620 --> 54:29.300]  That's going to be a criteria here.
[54:29.300 --> 54:34.260]  I think that Steve's probably going to look into these and come up with some level of cost estimate
[54:34.260 --> 54:37.380]  for each one so we know exactly what we're passing forward.
[54:37.380 --> 54:39.620]  You're talking about site cost, is that correct?
[54:41.060 --> 54:42.660]  Construction, land.
[54:42.660 --> 54:46.580]  I look at your number six on your list.
[54:46.580 --> 54:47.380]  That's what I'm looking at.
[54:47.380 --> 54:49.060]  Number two up there.
[54:49.060 --> 54:52.180]  And what I did, I ordered these alphabetically.
[54:52.180 --> 54:53.940]  They're not ordered in priority.
[54:54.820 --> 54:57.540]  So the order might be a little different than it was before.
[54:57.540 --> 54:59.380]  Cost, number two up there is a new one.
[55:01.060 --> 55:02.260]  The next one.
[55:02.260 --> 55:03.220]  Hold up, Jody.
[55:03.220 --> 55:03.940]  Yep, yep, yep.
[55:03.940 --> 55:04.900]  What we're looking at is not.
[55:06.340 --> 55:06.900]  Have you put it?
[55:06.900 --> 55:07.300]  Six.
[55:07.300 --> 55:07.860]  Okay.
[55:07.860 --> 55:10.020]  It's different up top, so let's look up top.
[55:10.020 --> 55:10.500]  There we go.
[55:10.500 --> 55:11.140]  There we go.
[55:11.140 --> 55:11.460]  Okay.
[55:12.500 --> 55:12.900]  That helps.
[55:12.900 --> 55:13.540]  That helps quite a bit.
[55:13.540 --> 55:14.020]  Okay.
[55:14.020 --> 55:16.100]  So community impact is still up there.
[55:16.660 --> 55:19.300]  It's for probably a couple of reasons.
[55:19.300 --> 55:24.580]  Alphabetically it's first, but I think that's a big factor that's important to consider.
[55:25.140 --> 55:28.020]  Number two, cost of construction, land, and operation.
[55:29.380 --> 55:34.100]  Number three, environmental impact and permitting, and we've talked about that,
[55:34.100 --> 55:37.220]  and then more stuff could come up on that the harder we look at it.
[55:37.940 --> 55:42.020]  Existing infrastructure, roads, utilities, et cetera.
[55:42.020 --> 55:43.380]  We've visited that before.
[55:43.380 --> 55:47.220]  It needs to stay one of the criteria, I think.
[55:48.500 --> 55:50.660]  Land acquisition, will and seller.
[55:51.220 --> 55:54.500]  We've talked about that one a lot, and then it's on there now, and it's important.
[55:54.900 --> 55:55.860]  I think to everybody.
[55:57.220 --> 55:58.420]  Number six, size.
[55:58.420 --> 56:00.660]  And just a question on that one.
[56:01.780 --> 56:05.780]  Are we for sure taking up condemnation?
[56:08.180 --> 56:10.020]  I've heard it go back and forth a little bit.
[56:11.220 --> 56:14.580]  What I've heard, the message I've heard from elected officials is that's not their intent.
[56:15.300 --> 56:19.460]  So I think that's why I was strongly saying let's move forward with some people,
[56:19.460 --> 56:20.420]  find out if they wouldn't.
[56:21.380 --> 56:23.060]  In my mind, it's not on the table now.
[56:23.060 --> 56:27.220]  Well, I always caution my friends and my council poll says don't ever say never because
[56:27.220 --> 56:30.260]  if there's nobody ever wants to sell, you've got to have a wastewater plant.
[56:30.260 --> 56:32.260]  Everybody in this room, I think, knows it's necessary.
[56:32.260 --> 56:33.780]  It's no matter where they're going to go.
[56:33.780 --> 56:38.180]  So if everybody says I'm not interested, it's got to go somewhere.
[56:39.060 --> 56:42.100]  But I've heard real clear from elected people that I've talked so close with that
[56:42.100 --> 56:43.620]  there's no intent to condemn any property.
[56:44.340 --> 56:45.540]  Anybody different than that?
[56:45.540 --> 56:48.340]  Phil said it at the last meeting that he would, and I'll say it on the record.
[56:48.340 --> 56:50.900]  No, I will not vote, and I'm going to dominate somebody's property.
[56:50.900 --> 56:55.060]  I'm not taking a century farm away from somebody or running a 95-year-old lady off her land.
[56:55.060 --> 57:04.500]  Just on that topic, as I look at it, you know, land acquisition, willing seller.
[57:05.300 --> 57:08.580]  You know, as I think about what that means, you know,
[57:08.580 --> 57:15.620]  like it was discussed, I think, Joey, last meeting when you talked about economic development.
[57:16.260 --> 57:20.420]  You know, is there another site to close the deal also?
[57:21.300 --> 57:24.660]  Maybe you're moving someone to a different location.
[57:25.300 --> 57:31.860]  And I was just curious if maybe that was something to somehow wrap into that number five.
[57:33.780 --> 57:36.020]  Well, I mean, in a way, I think that came up in the last couple of weeks.
[57:36.020 --> 57:39.300]  The subject is out there, right? The community is well, out the 12-verse.
[57:39.300 --> 57:42.420]  It's been reported quite a bit. The gentleman that came forward, Mr.
[57:42.420 --> 57:45.300]  Miller, in the last two weeks is because he heard about it.
[57:46.020 --> 57:47.780]  So I would say that again, if I didn't say it earlier,
[57:48.740 --> 57:51.700]  any property still open to come to the mayor's office saying,
[57:51.700 --> 57:54.500]  hey, I've got 50 acres here, 60 acres that you look at.
[57:54.500 --> 57:57.860]  That's always available. Clearly, everyone knows the city is looking for land first
[57:57.860 --> 58:00.660]  footprints. I would totally agree. If somebody's got property, they want to
[58:00.660 --> 58:03.460]  consider selling. Bring it on here.
[58:04.980 --> 58:08.340]  Come on. Yeah, that's what I was saying.
[58:08.340 --> 58:10.820]  No, he, like the last meeting, I brought up,
[58:11.540 --> 58:14.500]  Caleb and I was talking at the meeting, and I had said,
[58:15.940 --> 58:21.060]  I thought about with Permapipe, if we could get with the GECDB and our economic developer
[58:21.060 --> 58:25.140]  and the mayor's office and the county mayor's office, if that's the only place that supposedly
[58:25.140 --> 58:30.500]  makes a pipe in the United States, why would they not want to go out to Watertown where they can
[58:30.500 --> 58:35.140]  expand their facility and be on the railroad track? And then we could just do a land swap,
[58:35.140 --> 58:38.500]  if we could work something out like that. I mean, that's what I was talking about,
[58:38.500 --> 58:43.060]  and that would be a smart idea to do. But that's going to have to be if the mayor can get with the
[58:43.060 --> 58:47.380]  economic developer, the GECDB, and see if that's something that they'll even entertain. But
[58:47.380 --> 58:51.460]  I think that would be a great idea to do. Well, it looks like they're going to have to do that.
[58:51.460 --> 58:55.940]  We just sent it to the mayor, so he's going to have to make some adjustments there.
[58:55.940 --> 58:58.020]  Again, we only recommend.
[59:01.140 --> 59:05.780]  I just wasn't sure if there was something in that topic that, you know, would be worth
[59:05.780 --> 59:10.820]  considering. We've added a little further definition at the bottom, and I just noticed
[59:10.820 --> 59:13.460]  they're not in the same order as the top, but basically you can figure that out.
[59:13.460 --> 59:16.180]  Let me be confused while I go. Let me be confused while I go.
[59:16.180 --> 59:22.180]  The land acquisition, will and seller, number of owners could be a factor in that,
[59:22.180 --> 59:30.740]  willingness of owners, parcel configuration, easement needs, and overall acquisition complexity.
[59:31.540 --> 59:36.420]  You think we could add something to that definition that would kind of cover what
[59:36.420 --> 59:40.180]  you're talking about, Caleb? Did I state that right, or did I misspeak on that?
[59:40.180 --> 59:48.500]  No, exactly right. Yeah, I think we could add something there.
[59:48.500 --> 59:50.100]  Relocation cost.
[01:00:00.100 --> 01:00:04.740]  Chairman, that's something since we are going to send it, or it's been sent to the mayor now,
[01:00:04.740 --> 01:00:10.260]  or will be tomorrow to look at these sites that he needs to get. Do we need to make some kind
[01:00:10.260 --> 01:00:14.580]  of a motion to have him get the economic development people involved, or no?
[01:00:14.580 --> 01:00:17.140]  I don't know how far you want to go into it.
[01:00:17.140 --> 01:00:21.700]  I just feel like we may be trying to do too much right now. Let's find who willing sellers are.
[01:00:22.260 --> 01:00:25.940]  And to your point, if you guys mentioned the issue there about perma pipe,
[01:00:25.940 --> 01:00:30.580]  there's nothing wrong with suggesting that to him. I think about what they consider relocation,
[01:00:30.580 --> 01:00:33.620]  right? Almost everything is possible if you've got enough money.
[01:00:33.620 --> 01:00:37.620]  Because, I mean, like I said, if it was my business and I couldn't grow anymore,
[01:00:37.620 --> 01:00:42.420]  I would want to get somewhere to grow a whole lot larger and be able to add more employees.
[01:00:42.420 --> 01:00:47.380]  Yeah, I think maybe if we added, like, economic return to that definition in there,
[01:00:48.260 --> 01:00:53.860]  that might mean something willing. I mean, I think, like you said earlier,
[01:00:53.860 --> 01:00:59.220]  we're following a process. The process could get interrupted and reconfigured at any time.
[01:00:59.220 --> 01:01:02.740]  There's no perfect equation here, right? Unless we get three folks say, hey,
[01:01:03.300 --> 01:01:07.780]  on this site's here, come on, let's talk about my property. And that could change everything. Then
[01:01:07.780 --> 01:01:12.260]  you got to do the others there, right? But to your point, there's plenty of things that could come
[01:01:12.260 --> 01:01:14.180]  back if you get modified for sure.
[01:01:14.180 --> 01:01:21.220]  And I think we've done a good job of identifying, ranking sites, the best information we have,
[01:01:21.220 --> 01:01:25.620]  and know that these potentially could work. If there's some are better than others, right?
[01:01:25.620 --> 01:01:31.060]  That's why they rank one through whatever, right? So it's important to have this process here about
[01:01:31.060 --> 01:01:36.180]  it, because I believe they're going to come back to us to really help tweak it, put the list down in.
[01:01:36.180 --> 01:01:40.180]  And then you said, Joe, something we already talked about, we'll talk about it again. Maybe we're getting
[01:01:40.180 --> 01:01:44.420]  a three or four. Steve will have some better numbers. I want to look at the site excavation
[01:01:44.420 --> 01:01:48.420]  grading costs, for example. I'd like to have three or four slides. This site going to cost
[01:01:48.420 --> 01:01:54.100]  10 million or 50 million to grade it out. We know that's a big cost. We know land costs. We know
[01:01:54.980 --> 01:01:58.340]  piping costs, and we certainly don't have any clue right now about any kind of
[01:01:58.340 --> 01:02:02.660]  site development cost. It's a big number. It's going to be important to the city council at some point.
[01:02:05.220 --> 01:02:06.260]  We've got to get there at some point.
[01:02:06.260 --> 01:02:13.060]  We've got a directive that this committee has sent on, but I think now with that definition,
[01:02:13.860 --> 01:02:19.700]  with the economic return added to it, you know, when we started this process, it was like,
[01:02:21.060 --> 01:02:29.700]  it was a little bit challenging to step into this. I think y'all can feel my challenges as well. It was
[01:02:29.700 --> 01:02:35.220]  really tough volunteering to be on this committee, but, you know, we're giving back to the community and
[01:02:35.220 --> 01:02:41.620]  trying to do the best we can, but I think as you look at that definition now with the economic return,
[01:02:41.620 --> 01:02:45.940]  it's almost like, okay, let's take a step back. Yes, we need a sewer treatment plant,
[01:02:46.580 --> 01:02:54.420]  but what can we make this need into a positive gain for the city as well? It isn't necessarily maybe just
[01:02:54.420 --> 01:03:03.860]  the cost or the acquisition or the willingness of a seller, but overall gain that becomes a win-win,
[01:03:03.860 --> 01:03:10.980]  in my opinion. I think with that economic return added to that definition, now with the directive
[01:03:10.980 --> 01:03:17.540]  to go talk about these sites, okay, maybe there is a willing seller. Maybe there's not a willing seller,
[01:03:17.540 --> 01:03:22.740]  but maybe there's one not willing to sell, but willing to move their site to a different location
[01:03:22.740 --> 01:03:30.180]  with some economic return benefit that the city can create a win-win. So that's the reason why
[01:03:30.180 --> 01:03:36.500]  I'd like that added thing. Just put that on there. That's what makes sense of the first couple
[01:03:36.500 --> 01:03:42.340]  of sites that are on top of our list. Absolutely. And again, as we said earlier, the benefits of the
[01:03:42.340 --> 01:03:48.100]  sewer plan is this is a growing community. Sewer is pretty close to the top of everybody's list,
[01:03:48.100 --> 01:03:50.980]  whether it's commercial, whether it's industrial, whether it's residential,
[01:03:51.700 --> 01:03:55.860]  you've got to have sewer. So just off the bat, the real simple
[01:03:57.220 --> 01:04:02.660]  advantage was what sort of updated plan and new technology is to prepare for the future for 11
[01:04:02.660 --> 01:04:09.380]  Tennessee, not just the next five years, the next 40 years. It helps our rate payers. It would help,
[01:04:09.380 --> 01:04:13.540]  you know, our taxpayers. I like the way you're going with that, Caleb.
[01:04:15.540 --> 01:04:19.620]  We've got some notes there, Jody, what you want to add there, and we can put this back out.
[01:04:19.620 --> 01:04:21.540]  We can decide if we need to have another meeting before we
[01:04:22.180 --> 01:04:26.020]  run this meeting, because we need to, I guess, agree to this, not necessarily tonight,
[01:04:26.020 --> 01:04:30.500]  but if we can tonight, great for tonight, we can do it again here soon. Anything else on the,
[01:04:30.500 --> 01:04:33.860]  go ahead, Jody. Yeah, yeah, there's one more, and this one's a little different.
[01:04:33.860 --> 01:04:45.060]  Um, it's yes or no, and it's titled Fatal Flaw. So if there is insufficient buildable acreage,
[01:04:45.060 --> 01:04:51.460]  excessive floodway impacts, unacceptable environmental constraints, no practical
[01:04:51.460 --> 01:04:59.780]  discharge route, unwilling owner, extraordinary cost compared to some of the other alternatives,
[01:04:59.780 --> 01:05:08.180]  is that enough just to say, yes, fatal flaw? And you want to just drop that one?
[01:05:10.020 --> 01:05:14.420]  Just get your thoughts on that. You know, just cut the chase. If there are any in this,
[01:05:15.220 --> 01:05:22.660]  if they're in this list of 12 sites, I guess now, as we dig into it deeper, is there a reason you
[01:05:22.660 --> 01:05:29.060]  think we ought to just drop that site? Well, I don't think we got, I mean, I don't think they
[01:05:29.060 --> 01:05:34.100]  got on the topic, I mean, added to this list, if they had a complete fatal flaw to them.
[01:05:35.540 --> 01:05:40.100]  Yeah, to that point, I'd say we can't do that one, because that eliminates permapip immediately.
[01:05:40.100 --> 01:05:42.500]  We've had a good discussion about why that might be a viable site.
[01:05:44.260 --> 01:05:46.500]  But for that reason, along my mind, we don't need no rate.
[01:05:47.060 --> 01:05:52.260]  But I'm open to discussion. And, Caleb, what I had said about the JECDB,
[01:05:52.260 --> 01:05:56.260]  I had forgot you're the chairman of it. So will you reach out to tomorrow?
[01:05:57.620 --> 01:06:02.660]  Will you reach out to the mayor and Sarah and see if y'all can start working with something like that
[01:06:03.380 --> 01:06:07.860]  on that permapip location? Because, I mean, when we discussed it at the last meeting,
[01:06:07.860 --> 01:06:10.820]  when I brought it up, it seems like a great idea if they're willing to do it.
[01:06:11.620 --> 01:06:14.580]  And I don't know why they wouldn't if they're going to get a bigger
[01:06:14.580 --> 01:06:17.140]  spot and they're going to be on the railroad track towards Watertown if
[01:06:17.140 --> 01:06:19.460]  there's property out there that's available.
[01:06:19.460 --> 01:06:24.500]  So, again, discuss this matrix here. Do we want to keep eight on there or not?
[01:06:25.300 --> 01:06:26.740]  I'd say we take eight off. What do y'all want?
[01:06:31.380 --> 01:06:35.460]  I think eight is so broad that you could take any side off based on that.
[01:06:35.460 --> 01:06:37.620]  Yeah, I don't see why we need eight on it.
[01:06:37.620 --> 01:06:40.740]  Do we want to prove eight? Everybody good from the room in eight?
[01:06:40.740 --> 01:06:41.460]  Yes.
[01:06:41.460 --> 01:06:43.780]  Very good.
[01:06:48.420 --> 01:06:49.380]  Thank you, though, Jody.
[01:06:49.380 --> 01:06:53.380]  Jody, you know, that's the way it works, isn't it?
[01:06:53.380 --> 01:06:55.380]  That's all.
[01:06:55.380 --> 01:07:02.020]  Unless there's others.
[01:07:02.020 --> 01:07:04.020]  Any discussion or comments on the matrix?
[01:07:04.020 --> 01:07:04.740]  Steve, you got a question?
[01:07:04.740 --> 01:07:10.500]  Yeah, this goes back to the question that Caleb asked me earlier, and I had
[01:07:10.500 --> 01:07:13.700]  difficulty answering that the way that I wanted to.
[01:07:13.700 --> 01:07:19.300]  And, you know, when we look at the cost category in here, I would just like to ask
[01:07:19.300 --> 01:07:24.820]  the members of this committee to define exactly how you want me to handle that, because in the
[01:07:24.820 --> 01:07:29.540]  preliminary engineering reports and everything that we've done, I think I've got 11 different
[01:07:29.540 --> 01:07:34.820]  cost estimates for different types of treatment plants. But a treatment plant that would work on
[01:07:34.820 --> 01:07:42.340]  site 14 is a different kind of treatment plant that I would be able to site somewhere else,
[01:07:42.340 --> 01:07:47.540]  because I have to go to a technology that requires a much smaller footprint.
[01:07:47.540 --> 01:07:59.300]  So if I have multiple technologies, and I guess where I get,
[01:08:00.020 --> 01:08:07.700]  I try to watch how I say things is because the committee is to recommend properties, but not necessarily
[01:08:07.700 --> 01:08:12.020]  I've been trying to, we've recommended pieces of property that are large enough to allow for
[01:08:12.020 --> 01:08:17.220]  any of the processes that have been discussed with the utilities department.
[01:08:17.220 --> 01:08:24.340]  And by going to a smaller property, you may take away the process that the treatment plant
[01:08:24.340 --> 01:08:30.420]  operators and the utilities department really potentially prefers. So I don't, I really need,
[01:08:30.420 --> 01:08:36.020]  I would ask that that be defined in such a way that I know how to provide those costs.
[01:08:36.020 --> 01:08:41.300]  Steve, I think you've got to accommodate what this committee needs.
[01:08:41.300 --> 01:08:47.540]  The cost for that site, in other words, if it's a small site, the construction cost is going to be
[01:08:47.540 --> 01:08:54.260]  much higher. There'll be other factors that play into that. But I think you've got to go at it that
[01:08:54.260 --> 01:08:59.060]  way. I think you've got to pick the process that works on the property. And the bigger the property,
[01:08:59.060 --> 01:09:04.660]  the more processes it works. So you would take the least of the least expensive of those.
[01:09:04.660 --> 01:09:07.940]  Yeah, I think it's expensive. That's one thing coming to our discussion that's distracting.
[01:09:07.940 --> 01:09:14.020]  So we would look only, so then I would look for processes that could be expandable
[01:09:15.460 --> 01:09:22.740]  beyond this expansion, and then whatever fits that footprint potentially, and then that, okay.
[01:09:22.740 --> 01:09:23.060]  Yeah.
[01:09:23.060 --> 01:09:26.180]  I believe that's a discussion you have now in more detail with you,
[01:09:26.180 --> 01:09:31.140]  the department head and the mayor, because I think we came to this thing and we need six acres
[01:09:31.140 --> 01:09:34.660]  that would cover anything. We've got a couple sites that are less than that.
[01:09:34.660 --> 01:09:38.980]  So I think it's where, that's not our scope to identify the process. That is,
[01:09:38.980 --> 01:09:41.860]  you too, mayor and the council, that's scope. That is not our scope.
[01:09:41.860 --> 01:09:42.420]  Well.
[01:09:42.420 --> 01:09:45.140]  Your point is well taken, and I think you've got to do that, but that is not our scope.
[01:09:46.980 --> 01:09:50.580]  But I would like to say, as the council person, and when you all came to us,
[01:09:50.580 --> 01:09:55.460]  you did show us a building. And I want to make sure that part of this is
[01:09:56.180 --> 01:09:59.860]  inside some type of building, wherever it is.
[01:10:00.580 --> 01:10:02.180]  So that would be part of the cost.
[01:10:02.180 --> 01:10:02.980]  That's correct.
[01:10:02.980 --> 01:10:03.460]  Yeah. Okay.
[01:10:04.180 --> 01:10:04.420]  Okay.
[01:10:04.980 --> 01:10:07.220]  That's what I recall as well. You're right.
[01:10:07.220 --> 01:10:09.620]  Some of those sites, it had to be a different process than we,
[01:10:10.340 --> 01:10:13.780]  because it's not seat chambers. They're all terms at work to that point.
[01:10:13.780 --> 01:10:15.780]  That's really not what we would charge to identify.
[01:10:18.260 --> 01:10:21.940]  Yeah, I agree, Jeff. But one comment, Steve, to your question.
[01:10:21.940 --> 01:10:27.620]  I think it'd be good to have costs broken down. Like, the goals we set out here was
[01:10:27.620 --> 01:10:35.940]  20 million gallons per day for phase one, future expansion of another 20 million gallons per day.
[01:10:36.660 --> 01:10:42.420]  If there, as you look at each site, you might look at, call it site 14.
[01:10:43.140 --> 01:10:48.660]  Maybe you put 10 million gallons today, plus your tiny guy now equals 20.
[01:10:48.660 --> 01:10:52.980]  What's that cost look like? And it might not can be expanded to 40.
[01:10:52.980 --> 01:11:02.660]  I don't, I don't know. Just thinking about that breakdown would be appreciated if y'all agree.
[01:11:02.660 --> 01:11:09.220]  We're on a matrix here again. We want to offer them here a little bit better.
[01:11:09.220 --> 01:11:12.820]  I want to adopt this matrix. As we talked about it, we want a little more time to think about it.
[01:11:13.380 --> 01:11:18.500]  You know, what's the way of the group here? I'm looking at, we're actually on item C of our agenda.
[01:11:19.380 --> 01:11:20.900]  Item 6C, actually, I believe.
[01:11:20.900 --> 01:11:27.140]  I would say adopt the matrix. That lets Steve get busy putting costs together. That lets them
[01:11:27.140 --> 01:11:33.300]  contacting willing owners. Then we can fill this matrix out and see where we end up again.
[01:11:35.860 --> 01:11:40.580]  I'll just comment on what you said Randy. That's Steve, I think, working on costs as he's directed by
[01:11:41.300 --> 01:11:45.780]  Mayor and Regina, right? Good. They can't hear you out there, Jeff.
[01:11:45.780 --> 01:11:51.380]  Work on costs or it's directed by, by the Mayor and Regina. Right.
[01:11:53.380 --> 01:11:56.180]  Work on costs or something, if you don't, you've got, you've got a wood in the cellar again.
[01:11:56.180 --> 01:12:00.020]  Right. It's a moving target there, right? Yeah.
[01:12:00.020 --> 01:12:01.860]  Agreed. What are you thinking there, Regina?
[01:12:03.460 --> 01:12:08.500]  So, next step really is to, is to take that list and contact folks to find out who's interested,
[01:12:08.500 --> 01:12:13.620]  if anyone. All right, the matrix thing is on the, I guess on the floor for a motion to adopt it,
[01:12:13.620 --> 01:12:15.620]  as it's been amended tonight. Is that what I'm hearing?
[01:12:16.740 --> 01:12:20.100]  I'll make a second to that. I didn't make, I was just saying what I,
[01:12:20.100 --> 01:12:21.860]  stating what I thought I heard. I did not make a motion.
[01:12:28.740 --> 01:12:30.980]  Motion to adopt the matrix, excluding number eight.
[01:12:33.300 --> 01:12:34.500]  Any more discussion on the matrix?
[01:12:34.500 --> 01:12:38.100]  The definition adjustment got added.
[01:12:38.100 --> 01:12:41.380]  And the adjustments as discussed during the discussion. Yes.
[01:12:41.380 --> 01:12:42.180]  Correct. Yes.
[01:12:42.180 --> 01:12:43.700]  Okay. Ready to vote?
[01:12:43.700 --> 01:12:45.060]  All in favor with an aye.
[01:12:45.060 --> 01:12:45.300]  Aye.
[01:12:45.300 --> 01:12:46.980]  Motion to adopt.
[01:12:46.980 --> 01:12:47.780]  Motion passes.
[01:12:48.500 --> 01:12:52.100]  You'll get a revised map to us, get it to Regina, if you will, Jody, and Regina can
[01:12:52.100 --> 01:12:57.300]  distribute to the committee members. And we'll date that for, we'll date it 6-29, right, Regina?
[01:12:57.940 --> 01:13:00.580]  So you know that's the current one. Okay.
[01:13:02.180 --> 01:13:08.420]  Future meeting, I suggest we set a meeting right now for the council meeting, the third Tuesday,
[01:13:08.420 --> 01:13:13.620]  and the next week. What is three weeks? What is the council meeting dates in?
[01:13:16.020 --> 01:13:16.900]  July 21st.
[01:13:16.900 --> 01:13:18.020]  Is that?
[01:13:18.020 --> 01:13:20.340]  I hope we already had something scheduled for your family.
[01:13:20.340 --> 01:13:22.900]  I asked you to hold it to your point, yes.
[01:13:22.900 --> 01:13:25.860]  We had one place over for next week. I don't think we'll be ready next week.
[01:13:25.860 --> 01:13:31.220]  No. So okay with 4 p.m. on the 21st, right here? Everybody good with that?
[01:13:31.220 --> 01:13:31.700]  Mm-hmm.
[01:13:34.580 --> 01:13:40.100]  You held that place very good. Late next week, though. You got a free week, free time next week.
[01:13:40.100 --> 01:13:44.100]  Do you care to go ahead and throw a couple more out on the calendar?
[01:13:46.180 --> 01:13:49.780]  That'll be fine. And I know some of you have been mentioned, well,
[01:13:49.780 --> 01:13:51.940]  Tuesdays are the good dates, right? They're the good dates.
[01:13:52.740 --> 01:13:55.700]  So if you don't look at them, right up at the calendar, you look at the Tuesdays.
[01:13:55.700 --> 01:13:58.420]  Do we know the availability is the issue? Because we're limited to dates.
[01:13:58.420 --> 01:14:00.500]  It'd be tending. We know the 21st is good.
[01:14:03.060 --> 01:14:06.820]  With the 28th, we know this plane mission at 5 o'clock. You want to go and book the first
[01:14:06.820 --> 01:14:11.540]  meeting in August, the first Tuesday in August. What are you thinking, okay, the first Tuesday
[01:14:11.540 --> 01:14:14.900]  in August, maybe? Every two weeks, we've been looking at it.
[01:14:14.900 --> 01:14:18.740]  We had just five Tuesdays this month. That sort of messed things up, I guess, you know.
[01:14:18.740 --> 01:14:22.900]  So what's the first Tuesday in August? August 4th. August 4th, yes.
[01:14:22.900 --> 01:14:27.700]  You know, such as a tentative date, too. If we don't need one, we'll also cancel it, you know, so.
[01:14:29.380 --> 01:14:30.980]  And the next one would be August 18th.
[01:14:32.180 --> 01:14:35.380]  Again, I guess ask everybody to hold those on your calendar.
[01:14:35.380 --> 01:14:39.540]  We'd assume four o'clock. We'll verify through a time you think that's available.
[01:14:41.300 --> 01:14:46.500]  It's basically in the third Tuesday, July, the first and third Tuesday in August.
[01:14:48.500 --> 01:14:54.100]  There's a historic Lebanon meeting on the 18th at 5.
[01:14:54.100 --> 01:14:55.460]  At 5.
[01:14:55.460 --> 01:14:58.820]  Oh, I'm sorry. I'm reading something else. Never mind.
[01:14:59.700 --> 01:15:02.100]  So, at least on your calendar, it looks clear on that calendar now.
[01:15:02.100 --> 01:15:02.900]  Yes, the 18th.
[01:15:02.900 --> 01:15:05.220]  We'll verify it and it'll come out. We'll let Brandon send that, too.
[01:15:05.380 --> 01:15:07.860]  Just saying these, you know, hold these dates, whatever.
[01:15:08.420 --> 01:15:09.700]  Okay. All right.
[01:15:09.700 --> 01:15:13.140]  We don't have a lot of time here, folks, but we certainly want to open up for some public comments.
[01:15:13.140 --> 01:15:16.340]  And obviously, we've got to be done in about 15, 20 minutes here.
[01:15:16.340 --> 01:15:19.620]  So please speak to the point and let's roll, please.
[01:15:19.620 --> 01:15:20.020]  Yes, sir.
[01:15:20.020 --> 01:15:32.020]  Terry Monahan, 511 Barton Short Court.
[01:15:32.020 --> 01:15:32.180]  Thank you.
[01:15:32.180 --> 01:15:35.380]  Terry Monahan, 511 Barton Short Court.
[01:15:35.380 --> 01:15:44.260]  I've done some research on the different technologies for wastewater, and I just want to point out a couple things quickly.
[01:15:44.980 --> 01:15:46.740]  You're looking for a 60-acre site.
[01:15:46.740 --> 01:15:54.580]  If you go with biofilm reactor technology, you can use about a half the footprint.
[01:15:54.580 --> 01:15:58.020]  So now you're talking a 30-acre site or something.
[01:15:58.020 --> 01:16:00.260]  Some of your smaller sites are doable.
[01:16:00.260 --> 01:16:19.700]  Also, from my research, the cost of a stationary biofilm-type plant is about 13.5% to 15% more expensive than your old technology.
[01:16:19.700 --> 01:16:31.940]  The other thought that I have is this biofilm technology is in modules.
[01:16:31.940 --> 01:16:47.300]  So you could take your existing site, put a brand-new biofilm reactor unit there, decommission part of your existing,
[01:16:47.300 --> 01:16:53.860]  and upgrade your existing to a biofilm technology.
[01:16:54.100 --> 01:16:55.020]  It's available.
[01:16:55.380 --> 01:16:57.840]  I've got some documentation I'll leave with you here.
[01:16:58.220 --> 01:17:01.880]  Two different companies that will do upgrades.
[01:17:02.600 --> 01:17:05.980]  So you remain at the same site.
[01:17:06.320 --> 01:17:08.760]  You have all of your infrastructure there.
[01:17:09.060 --> 01:17:11.680]  You don't have to purchase new property.
[01:17:11.680 --> 01:17:17.660]  And it just seems to make sense to me that you would use this newer technology,
[01:17:17.660 --> 01:17:25.660]  which actually costs between 50% and 60% less annually to run.
[01:17:26.120 --> 01:17:31.700]  So you're looking at the future saying, ah, I'm going to use a newer technology.
[01:17:31.840 --> 01:17:35.440]  I'm going to pay 13% to 15% more up front capital.
[01:17:35.680 --> 01:17:37.340]  I'm not buying more property.
[01:17:37.520 --> 01:17:39.060]  My infrastructure is there.
[01:17:39.060 --> 01:17:49.300]  I can transition to the new technology at my site, and it puts out a cleaner discharge.
[01:17:49.800 --> 01:17:54.280]  I just don't understand why that isn't the path you'd follow.
[01:17:55.540 --> 01:17:59.680]  I appreciate your time, and I'll give you this.
[01:18:00.360 --> 01:18:00.860]  Thank you.
[01:18:01.080 --> 01:18:01.440]  Thank you.
[01:18:07.440 --> 01:18:07.980]  There you go.
[01:18:08.180 --> 01:18:08.560]  Thank you.
[01:18:09.060 --> 01:18:12.280]  Derek Dodson, 106 Chapman Drive.
[01:18:13.740 --> 01:18:19.740]  The prior gentleman has done research that I haven't done, so I have no idea whether he's
[01:18:19.740 --> 01:18:23.080]  on the right track or not, but I will continue.
[01:18:25.040 --> 01:18:34.300]  I have, since the very beginning, advocated the 409 Carver Lane Rockwood site, site number
[01:18:34.300 --> 01:18:34.840]  13.
[01:18:34.840 --> 01:18:40.840]  There are only two legitimate sites in this city for a sewer plant, and that is one of
[01:18:40.840 --> 01:18:44.140]  them, and there are a total of five parcels there, 136 acres.
[01:18:44.140 --> 01:18:53.240]  But I have since changed the site that I think is the best site to the second site because of this reason.
[01:18:53.240 --> 01:19:11.120]  There is documentable information that I'm not going to discuss out loud, whereby you can ballpark the amount that the site I just mentioned would cost, as well as the site I'm about to mention would cost.
[01:19:11.120 --> 01:19:20.880]  And the site I'm about to mention, which is site number 22 that y'all discussed tonight on Maple Hill Road, is more acres for less price.
[01:19:20.880 --> 01:19:25.880]  So that's one of the reasons I've changed to number 22, the Maple Hill Road site.
[01:19:25.880 --> 01:19:30.180]  So with regard to that site, a couple of points.
[01:19:30.180 --> 01:19:39.880]  First point is, there's 100 acres before you get to that site that's vacant, and the property owner there, the property owners do not want that property developed.
[01:19:39.880 --> 01:19:46.880]  Then you've got the property on the other side, 164 acres, they do not want their property developed.
[01:19:46.880 --> 01:20:00.880]  So you've got the 150 acres in the middle, close to the affluent line with a pipe running through the property next door, the Donnell property, whereby the 150 acres could serve as a city park and a sewer plant site.
[01:20:00.880 --> 01:20:13.880]  And then, in the future, the city could pick up the 100 acres, the 164 acres, and you've got a total of 414 acres for a future city park with a sewer plant in the middle.
[01:20:13.880 --> 01:20:19.880]  And sewer plants do not stink like they did in the past, so no one would even know it was there, see it was there.
[01:20:19.880 --> 01:20:21.880]  Can I quote you on that, Derek?
[01:20:21.880 --> 01:20:25.880]  Can I quote you on that last statement there about that it will stink like it used to?
[01:20:25.880 --> 01:20:28.880]  What you said.
[01:20:28.880 --> 01:20:32.880]  Well, since you said it, no.
[01:20:32.880 --> 01:20:35.880]  Right along, Derek, moving right along.
[01:20:35.880 --> 01:20:38.880]  I know far more about it than I would.
[01:20:38.880 --> 01:20:41.880]  So I'll have to go do my homework, I guess.
[01:20:41.880 --> 01:20:49.880]  Anyway, so the city could have a fantastic park system in the long term future by combining these three properties of 414 acres.
[01:20:49.880 --> 01:21:02.880]  And again, the 150 acres could be had for less than the site 13, the Rockwood, considerably less than the Rockwood 409 Carver Lane site.
[01:21:02.880 --> 01:21:08.880]  If you want to ask me privately for ballpark figures on how much those would cost, I'll show you the documentation.
[01:21:08.880 --> 01:21:23.880]  And lastly, at the January 20th city council meetings, I was standing at this microphone, and the 150 acres was up for vote for rezoning and development.
[01:21:23.880 --> 01:21:28.880]  And I made the comment that that would never happen, and the property has not exchanged hands yet.
[01:21:28.880 --> 01:21:30.880]  And it is for sale right now.
[01:21:30.880 --> 01:21:32.880]  It's not exchanged hands yet.
[01:21:32.880 --> 01:21:42.880]  I don't know if this is one of the reasons or not, but at that meeting I talked about a future investigation with regard to that development company buying that property.
[01:21:42.880 --> 01:21:50.880]  So as I stand here right now, I'm sitting on a bombshell of financial fraud evidence.
[01:21:50.880 --> 01:21:53.880]  That property ain't going to be bought by that developer.
[01:21:53.880 --> 01:21:55.880]  And if they do, they've had it.
[01:21:55.880 --> 01:21:58.880]  So that property, the city could easily buy.
[01:21:58.880 --> 01:21:59.880]  Thank you.
[01:22:07.880 --> 01:22:08.880]  John Hornyak, 93 North Denny Road.
[01:22:08.880 --> 01:22:10.880]  I have no bombshells for you.
[01:22:10.880 --> 01:22:11.880]  Thank you.
[01:22:11.880 --> 01:22:12.880]  Thank you.
[01:22:12.880 --> 01:22:13.880]  Sorry.
[01:22:13.880 --> 01:22:17.880]  But I do have some comments and maybe some questions if you don't mind answering them.
[01:22:17.880 --> 01:22:20.880]  A while back I brought up the Murfreesboro site.
[01:22:20.880 --> 01:22:24.880]  I asked Steve about it being on 40 acres by chance.
[01:22:24.880 --> 01:22:27.880]  Have we looked into that to see if that's what it is?
[01:22:27.880 --> 01:22:31.880]  Shane, we don't take your information to respond back to it, but I can tell you it's not just 100 acres.
[01:22:31.880 --> 01:22:34.880]  Again, from my research, it's 40 acres.
[01:22:34.880 --> 01:22:36.880]  It can handle.
[01:22:36.880 --> 01:22:44.880]  I looked it up on Murfreesboro's GIS information that's available on their website and it looked like it was 100 acres.
[01:22:44.880 --> 01:22:45.880]  Okay, good.
[01:22:45.880 --> 01:22:46.880]  Because I said it was on Google and I didn't know.
[01:22:46.880 --> 01:22:47.880]  Sure.
[01:22:47.880 --> 01:22:53.880]  Because they're at 20 million gallons right now and they're looking to increase theirs.
[01:22:53.880 --> 01:23:06.880]  So one thing I haven't heard, and I don't know the answer to it, that's why I bring it up here, is the current effluent line, can that be changed over to raw sewage?
[01:23:06.880 --> 01:23:07.880]  That's 20.
[01:23:07.880 --> 01:23:08.880]  That is 20.
[01:23:08.880 --> 01:23:09.880]  That is 20.
[01:23:09.880 --> 01:23:10.880]  Okay, good.
[01:23:10.880 --> 01:23:11.880]  That's what I want to make sure.
[01:23:11.880 --> 01:23:21.880]  And I see that operating cost is included in your, call it a pew matrix, and it's under number one.
[01:23:21.880 --> 01:23:26.880]  I would encourage you to look at that separately from the procurement cost.
[01:23:26.880 --> 01:23:32.880]  Because Camille's mentioned multiple times about how much it's going to cost people in the city to do it.
[01:23:32.880 --> 01:23:36.880]  So that's something that probably should be separated out somehow.
[01:23:36.880 --> 01:23:37.880]  That's it.
[01:23:37.880 --> 01:23:38.880]  Thanks.
[01:23:42.880 --> 01:23:43.880]  530.
[01:23:43.880 --> 01:23:44.880]  I apologize.
[01:23:44.880 --> 01:23:45.880]  We've got to go at 530.
[01:23:45.880 --> 01:23:46.880]  Remus committed to it.
[01:23:46.880 --> 01:23:48.880]  So go ahead.
[01:23:48.880 --> 01:23:49.880]  Charles.
[01:23:49.880 --> 01:23:51.880]  Charles Smith, Cleveland Lane.
[01:23:51.880 --> 01:23:53.880]  I don't envy your position.
[01:23:53.880 --> 01:23:54.880]  I do.
[01:23:54.880 --> 01:23:57.880]  How many of you know the history of land use plans?
[01:23:57.880 --> 01:23:59.880]  Okay.
[01:23:59.880 --> 01:24:02.880]  It's been around 4,000 years.
[01:24:02.880 --> 01:24:09.880]  But prior to the United States, we called those people King, Emperor, Shah, Pickett, absolute ruler.
[01:24:09.880 --> 01:24:14.880]  And it was intentionally not brought over to the United States because it's monarchy.
[01:24:14.880 --> 01:24:18.880]  In 1926, the Supreme Court screwed over the country pretty good.
[01:24:18.880 --> 01:24:23.880]  In 1973, they really did it bad.
[01:24:23.880 --> 01:24:26.880]  That's land use prior to that at Brazil.
[01:24:26.880 --> 01:24:27.880]  Charles, I'm sorry, but please talk about our sewer plant.
[01:24:27.880 --> 01:24:28.880]  Talk about our plant.
[01:24:28.880 --> 01:24:29.880]  We've only got much time.
[01:24:29.880 --> 01:24:30.880]  I am.
[01:24:30.880 --> 01:24:31.880]  Stick with the subject, please.
[01:24:31.880 --> 01:24:32.880]  I am.
[01:24:32.880 --> 01:24:33.880]  I am.
[01:24:33.880 --> 01:24:36.880]  What I would recommend that you do, gentlemen, is discard everything that is not, ladies and
[01:24:36.880 --> 01:24:40.880]  gentlemen, sorry, is everything that is not within the city limits.
[01:24:40.880 --> 01:24:45.880]  The city created this issue by fraudulently signing expansion documents.
[01:24:45.880 --> 01:24:50.880]  Mayor Bell knew about the issues with the water plant 15 years before he took office.
[01:24:50.880 --> 01:24:51.880]  Now we're five years after.
[01:24:51.880 --> 01:24:52.880]  That's 20 years.
[01:24:52.880 --> 01:24:55.880]  He's been signing fraudulent documents the entire time.
[01:24:55.880 --> 01:24:59.880]  Like I said, I wouldn't want to be in your seats.
[01:24:59.880 --> 01:25:04.880]  And I would encourage you to keep the problems that the city generated within the city limits.
[01:25:04.880 --> 01:25:06.880]  Thank you.
[01:25:06.880 --> 01:25:16.880]  James Camp, 412 Carver Lane.
[01:25:16.880 --> 01:25:23.880]  And on your 13, I've got 14 acres.
[01:25:23.880 --> 01:25:27.880]  It's address 404.
[01:25:27.880 --> 01:25:32.880]  It's adjacent to the bank ruck partial.
[01:25:32.880 --> 01:25:35.880]  And that is in the county.
[01:25:35.880 --> 01:25:40.880]  But I just wanted you to know I'm a no seller on that.
[01:25:48.880 --> 01:25:49.880]  Hello again.
[01:25:49.880 --> 01:25:51.880]  Teresa Rogers, 311 North Denny Road.
[01:25:51.880 --> 01:25:56.880]  And site number two is right behind my house where my kids get tadpoles out of the water
[01:25:56.880 --> 01:25:58.880]  and we take our ducks down to swim.
[01:25:58.880 --> 01:26:00.880]  We build our chicken coop there.
[01:26:00.880 --> 01:26:01.880]  We love it there.
[01:26:01.880 --> 01:26:06.880]  But I'm going to take today, I'm going to discuss this issue from something completely different.
[01:26:06.880 --> 01:26:09.880]  Something completely away from the technology.
[01:26:09.880 --> 01:26:14.880]  I'd like to discuss it from the perspective of the taxpayers here in Lebanon and Wilson County.
[01:26:14.880 --> 01:26:17.880]  The discussion continues to focus on one question.
[01:26:17.880 --> 01:26:19.880]  Who is a willing seller?
[01:26:19.880 --> 01:26:22.880]  But that is not the question taxpayers should be asking.
[01:26:22.880 --> 01:26:28.880]  The question should be, which site creates the lowest total cost to the community over the next 30, 40, 50 years?
[01:26:28.880 --> 01:26:30.880]  Because I still plan to be here and so do my children.
[01:26:30.880 --> 01:26:34.880]  Today, it appears that significant attention is being given to acquisition opportunities,
[01:26:34.880 --> 01:26:40.880]  while very little attention has been given to the long-term economic consequences to site selection.
[01:26:40.880 --> 01:26:48.880]  The areas surrounding Berea, Church, Man Road, Coles Ferry are some of the most valuable residential property in Wilson County.
[01:26:48.880 --> 01:26:53.880]  Many of these homes set on large acreage tracks represent substantial investment by families.
[01:26:53.880 --> 01:27:00.880]  The value of these homes is quite substantial because of the rural character and the quality of life.
[01:27:00.880 --> 01:27:06.880]  The wastewater treatment facility is placed in, if the wastewater treatment is placed in or adjacent to such an area,
[01:27:06.880 --> 01:27:08.880]  property values will decline.
[01:27:08.880 --> 01:27:11.880]  So the impact is not limited to those homeowners.
[01:27:11.880 --> 01:27:15.880]  The county's tax base built upon property values.
[01:27:15.880 --> 01:27:21.880]  Residential property in Tennessee is tax-based on its appraised value.
[01:27:21.880 --> 01:27:26.880]  And lower property values ultimately mean lower assessed values reduce tax revenue over time.
[01:27:26.880 --> 01:27:30.880]  That means this is not simply a land acquisition decision.
[01:27:30.880 --> 01:27:33.880]  It is a long-term economic development decision.
[01:27:33.880 --> 01:27:39.880]  Before selecting a site, the public deserves to know whether the committee has compared the lifetime cost
[01:27:39.880 --> 01:27:46.880]  of developing a site in an established industrial corridor, particularly already owned by the city,
[01:27:46.880 --> 01:27:53.880]  against the potential economic consequences of placing major utility facility in high-value residential farmland.
[01:27:53.880 --> 01:28:04.880]  A site that costs more to develop initially may ultimately be the less expensive option if it preserves millions of dollars
[01:28:04.880 --> 01:28:09.880]  in residential property value, protects the county's tax base, and avoids future economic harm.
[01:28:09.880 --> 01:28:14.880]  The cheapest property to acquire is not necessarily the lowest cost solution for taxpayers.
[01:28:14.880 --> 01:28:20.880]  Likewise, a willing seller does not automatically create the best site.
[01:28:20.880 --> 01:28:25.880]  My request is simple. Before any site is advanced, I ask the committee to commission and publicly release
[01:28:25.880 --> 01:28:31.880]  an independent economic impact analysis comparing the long-term taxpayer cost of each alternative,
[01:28:31.880 --> 01:28:37.880]  including impacts on surrounding property values, future-based growth, infrastructure costs, and total life cycle costs.
[01:28:37.880 --> 01:28:42.880]  Only then can the public be confident that the chosen site is not merely available,
[01:28:42.880 --> 01:28:47.880]  but it truly is the best financial interest of Lebanon and Wilson County for generations to come.
[01:28:47.880 --> 01:28:48.880]  Thank you.
[01:28:57.880 --> 01:29:00.880]  My name is Todd Rourke. I live on 2427 Man Road.
[01:29:00.880 --> 01:29:02.880]  Todd, real quick. We're going to go with you and lay behind you. Let's see it.
[01:29:02.880 --> 01:29:04.880]  Okay. Life's too fatal right here. Okay.
[01:29:04.880 --> 01:29:15.880]  So that was a pretty good setup. I almost felt like the thunder was being stolen, but it's a good segue to this.
[01:29:15.880 --> 01:29:19.880]  So this will be different than what I've said before, the tenor of it.
[01:29:19.880 --> 01:29:24.880]  I have seen a lot of attention and sympathy today going toward finding a willing seller.
[01:29:24.880 --> 01:29:29.880]  The willing seller has become this factor with enormous power in the decision.
[01:29:29.880 --> 01:29:32.880]  Thus, a potential seller can negotiate for a higher price.
[01:29:32.880 --> 01:29:37.880]  They simultaneously get to leave the area and evade all the effects.
[01:29:37.880 --> 01:29:46.880]  If the seller gets a better price, will any of the seller's gains go to the neighbors whose property values and quality of life are affected?
[01:29:46.880 --> 01:29:48.880]  Of course not.
[01:29:48.880 --> 01:29:52.880]  Finding a willing seller does not settle the debt with the public.
[01:29:52.880 --> 01:29:57.880]  It doesn't mean that everyone can sleep well knowing that they've done the right thing.
[01:29:57.880 --> 01:29:59.880]  Thank you.
[01:29:59.880 --> 01:30:00.880]  Thank you.
[01:30:05.880 --> 01:30:07.880]  Hey, my name is Christy Chastain.
[01:30:07.880 --> 01:30:12.880]  I reside at 4464 Colesbury Pike, and I thank you for letting me speak.
[01:30:12.880 --> 01:30:18.880]  First of all, I want to say I was told by one property owner to get up here and say site three is not for sale.
[01:30:18.880 --> 01:30:19.880]  She is not a willing seller.
[01:30:19.880 --> 01:30:23.880]  She wants to go on the record, so you might as well just knock that one off.
[01:30:23.880 --> 01:30:26.880]  Also, I think we know site five is definitely not for sale.
[01:30:26.880 --> 01:30:27.880]  Just follow the process.
[01:30:27.880 --> 01:30:28.880]  Just follow the process.
[01:30:28.880 --> 01:30:29.880]  Remember.
[01:30:29.880 --> 01:30:30.880]  Oh, but I'm just telling you.
[01:30:30.880 --> 01:30:31.880]  You said willing sellers.
[01:30:31.880 --> 01:30:35.880]  I got people saying, hey, go ahead and tell them I'm not going to sell.
[01:30:35.880 --> 01:30:43.880]  Also, my point is somebody brought up we shouldn't let people know if we've talked to them and they're a willing seller because of repercussions.
[01:30:43.880 --> 01:30:48.880]  Isn't there some sort of sunshine law where you're supposed to release all the facts to us?
[01:30:48.880 --> 01:30:56.880]  I mean, I'm just saying, isn't there something about that that we should know just like what sites are chosen at this point?
[01:30:56.880 --> 01:31:03.880]  That if there's a willing seller that should be on the top of the list and they should be told that they're the people should be told these people are willing seller.
[01:31:03.880 --> 01:31:07.880]  And I just wanted to bring up to Joey.
[01:31:07.880 --> 01:31:09.880]  Permapipe already sits on a rail line.
[01:31:09.880 --> 01:31:10.880]  I don't know.
[01:31:10.880 --> 01:31:11.880]  That's my word.
[01:31:11.880 --> 01:31:12.880]  I drive by there.
[01:31:12.880 --> 01:31:13.880]  Yeah.
[01:31:13.880 --> 01:31:14.880]  They don't truck by rail.
[01:31:14.880 --> 01:31:16.880]  They don't send anything by rail.
[01:31:16.880 --> 01:31:17.880]  They send it all by truck.
[01:31:17.880 --> 01:31:28.880]  And so to offer them to move all that pipe all the way out to Watertown, which is a smaller highway, it's going to cost them more to truck it to the interstate, to truck it where it goes.
[01:31:28.880 --> 01:31:30.880]  I don't think an economic development.
[01:31:30.880 --> 01:31:32.880]  I think that's going to be a waste of your time.
[01:31:32.880 --> 01:31:38.880]  I mean, I wish for everybody that it would stay in the city and Permapipe's a good location, but they already sat on a rail.
[01:31:38.880 --> 01:31:40.880]  My husband trucks Permapipe every day.
[01:31:40.880 --> 01:31:42.880]  He's currently taking it to California.
[01:31:42.880 --> 01:31:44.880]  He took it to Disneyland last week.
[01:31:44.880 --> 01:31:47.880]  So, I'm just telling you, they already sat on a rail.
[01:31:47.880 --> 01:31:49.880]  If you want to waste your time dealing with them.
[01:31:49.880 --> 01:31:52.880]  They might sell out, but look at how much they've got to move.
[01:31:52.880 --> 01:31:57.880]  And it's going to take that much smaller, smaller plant, which I don't think Steve's willing to look at, honestly.
[01:31:57.880 --> 01:32:01.880]  Because when anybody discusses it, he seems to have his head down, doesn't listen.
[01:32:01.880 --> 01:32:03.880]  That's just my takes on it.
[01:32:03.880 --> 01:32:05.880]  So, thank you for listening to me.
[01:32:05.880 --> 01:32:14.880]  This evening, again, thank the committee.
[01:32:14.880 --> 01:32:15.880]  We'll move forward with our process.
[01:32:15.880 --> 01:32:22.880]  And then, ultimately, we'll be back here again, probably, hopefully, in July there to vet some final sites here.
[01:32:22.880 --> 01:32:23.880]  Thank you all.
[01:32:23.880 --> 01:32:24.880]  Appreciate it.
[01:32:24.880 --> 01:32:25.880]  adjourned.