0:022 seconds We're taking this with us and bring it back.
0:077 seconds I I think that's a smart
0:2121 seconds serve on a committee.
0:2424 seconds We are our results are transparent. I don't know.
0:3333 seconds We're not hiding results. Thanks.
0:3838 seconds I mean, all of our discussion is not but but even when you go to vote for anything you're you know you're you're
0:4646 seconds voting your your vote is tallied but your name isn't attached to you.
0:5050 seconds Yeah. As a citizen, right? As a citizen you're voting. We're gonna put this type of right on the
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1:171 minute, 17 seconds Come this direction. Hold the speaker here. We're going to come this direction. Watch his feet.
1:251 minute, 25 seconds Let me get Bill's Bill's still.
1:261 minute, 26 seconds We're going to slide down people. Just take up face the crowd. Where are we going? Fast face.
1:341 minute, 34 seconds You You already doing that. You can see that too.
1:411 minute, 41 seconds You get that one there. Now I think this What was the What was the purpose of
1:481 minute, 48 seconds coming down here instead of just staying up there?
1:541 minute, 54 seconds You can still move this table here.
2:122 minutes, 12 seconds You got to get here early.
2:292 minutes, 29 seconds I don't want these.
2:532 minutes, 53 seconds hide behind the podium. I'll stay I'll flank him today.
3:033 minutes, 3 seconds Yeah.
3:073 minutes, 7 seconds Sorry, Dave, but you Oh, we're on the team, brother. That's right. You know that.
3:223 minutes, 22 seconds Got a new package. I do for sure.
3:403 minutes, 40 seconds in a second. Maybe
3:543 minutes, 54 seconds I think you pick it up. It's right here. Think it's all right.
4:104 minutes, 10 seconds down a little bit down. How's that?
4:284 minutes, 28 seconds It's awesome. Appreciate. Thank you.
4:544 minutes, 54 seconds I feel like flanking you.
4:584 minutes, 58 seconds except for still not
5:235 minutes, 23 seconds bigger than that. Protect me.
5:565 minutes, 56 seconds She's
6:186 minutes, 18 seconds Okay. No.
6:526 minutes, 52 seconds I'll do it.
7:177 minutes, 17 seconds I'm on the end. You're one of those. I went as far away.
7:307 minutes, 30 seconds all the way down.
7:467 minutes, 46 seconds No, you didn't. Well, it was not green. No, no worries there.
8:178 minutes, 17 seconds You need a plug? Yeah, I got one.
8:218 minutes, 21 seconds Okay, there's one over here, too, if you need it.
8:368 minutes, 36 seconds trying to
8:518 minutes, 51 seconds lobby.
8:548 minutes, 54 seconds I'm just
9:209 minutes, 20 seconds build
9:299 minutes, 29 seconds my communication Huh?
9:489 minutes, 48 seconds That's okay. You want to move that one down?
10:0110 minutes, 1 secondHow far down can I go?
10:3110 minutes, 31 seconds What happened there?
10:3210 minutes, 32 seconds I don't know. I was asking
10:4910 minutes, 49 seconds went all the way.
11:0011 minutesI think that's
11:1411 minutes, 14 seconds okay. We got 4 p.m. Thank everybody here today. We're going to get started pretty quick here today. Get rolling here. Brand have a roll call, please.
11:2111 minutes, 21 seconds Jeff here.
11:2311 minutes, 23 seconds Regina S here.
11:2511 minutes, 25 seconds Vance here.
11:2711 minutes, 27 seconds Tom Clemens here.
11:3011 minutes, 30 seconds Steve, I know you're our exio, but Steve Jones here.
11:3411 minutes, 34 seconds Phil Morehead here.
11:3511 minutes, 35 seconds Joey Carmarmac here.
11:3711 minutes, 37 seconds Camil B here.
11:3811 minutes, 38 seconds Caleb Thorne here.
11:4011 minutes, 40 seconds Dave Dixon here.
11:4211 minutes, 42 seconds Randy Lane here.
11:4611 minutes, 46 seconds We've got our old business here. We got our agenda for a few days and uh June second approval for June 2nd
11:5311 minutes, 53 seconds meeting second for June second.
11:5811 minutes, 58 seconds Yes. I have some discussions on the third page I believe C and D.
12:0512 minutes, 5 seconds And this would be directed to you Steve.
12:0812 minutes, 8 seconds Um you stated that the plan you used on these maps uh were a conceptual plan.
12:1812 minutes, 18 seconds Yes, ma'am.
12:1912 minutes, 19 seconds And in that plan, is that the same one that was presented to the council for a work session?
12:2612 minutes, 26 seconds The same closed? Yes, ma'am.
12:2812 minutes, 28 seconds Because it seemed like it was enclosed to the one we were presented in our work session as the council. What do you mean by enclosed?
12:3812 minutes, 38 seconds The um wastewater treatment plant. That's what I heard. Enclosed.
12:4512 minutes, 45 seconds Yes. What you heard?
12:4912 minutes, 49 seconds So, so the plan So, the plans that were shown and the plans that have been submitted
12:5612 minutes, 56 seconds are based on showing you of the different options that we've looked at. The one that has the largest footprint.
13:0313 minutes, 3 seconds It all of those bases. There is a combination of can be a combination of closed or open top basins depending upon
13:1113 minutes, 11 seconds what basins there are. So all anorobic treatment basins are always covered so that we can capture the gas and aerobic
13:1813 minutes, 18 seconds basins are generally uncovered but can be covered if need be based on the area or whatnot that it's that it's placed
13:2613 minutes, 26 seconds in. So again, because it's all conceptual, it's it's looking at from the standpoint of of what we're looking
13:3313 minutes, 33 seconds at is it's a footprint. It's how many square feet, how many square acres are required depending upon the type of treatment.
13:4213 minutes, 42 seconds Okay. So you showed the largest. So we looked at the largest because of the fact that depending upon home each each
13:5013 minutes, 50 seconds type of treatment has a different footprint has a different O and cost and has a different considerations from an operational standpoint but so from a
13:5813 minutes, 58 seconds standpoint of acquiring a piece of property the recommendation that we've made is acquire a piece of property for the largest potential footprint and then
14:0714 minutes, 7 seconds if you if it's determined that we go with a smaller treatment system then we have a larger vegetative buffer between the treatment
14:1614 minutes, 16 seconds plant and any neighboring property. So if you buy for the largest one, then you maximize the ability to screen it from any adjacent properties, no matter where that is.
14:2614 minutes, 26 seconds Okay, I think that answered my question, but the what we were shown at the work session did have some enclosed.
14:3414 minutes, 34 seconds Yes. What's the what's the difference in the square footage of a covered and an uncovered at their largest and smallest
14:4114 minutes, 41 seconds and what would we need? So again, well before I answer Jeff, do we want to
14:5114 minutes, 51 seconds go into treatment? Do we want me to go in treatment stuff or is this Yeah, that's good. That's good. That's good. So any question on the minutes?
14:5914 minutes, 59 seconds Put them in so we can get into discussion. Any other questions? Anybody? No. Okay.
15:0815 minutes, 8 seconds We have a motion second written. All right. Any oppose? Approve.
15:1415 minutes, 14 seconds Okay. All right. Business may come to question as well. So, we're going to first look about a ranking process. Everybody should have
15:2315 minutes, 23 seconds taken
15:3515 minutes, 35 seconds about different different details. So, we need to bring that in and sort of come up leave people with an understanding what we want to get done.
15:4215 minutes, 42 seconds You just make yourself. It's got time on there. It's got a method. Talk about that. I think the store will get them back
15:5015 minutes, 50 seconds at your desk tonight. Seal envelope like this. Get yours done up. Bring it back.
15:5615 minutes, 56 seconds Talk that little later on to bring it back sealed. We get the right people going up and see where we are. So that's the second bullet there. to first put it
16:0516 minutes, 5 seconds time for eval time eval evaluation scoring hope not we come back in two weeks and score these things come back over your two weeks and score these
16:1316 minutes, 13 seconds sites where you can we can come around and get from 20 sites down to maybe eight or 10 socks sure help anybody talk any thoughts please me to jump in here
16:2216 minutes, 22 seconds can just can everybody hear no it's really hard to hear you guys we may need to move up really hard to hear a little bit
16:3016 minutes, 30 seconds can we move up yeah can we just move up so that they we have microphones and they can hear what we're saying. We can. That's what we want to do. Thank you.
16:3716 minutes, 37 seconds Thank you.
16:5616 minutes, 56 seconds Follow me.
17:2717 minutes, 27 seconds That should be better like that earlier. That's right.
17:4317 minutes, 43 seconds I feel at home again.
17:5517 minutes, 55 seconds Well, you have a seat. Yeah.
18:1618 minutes, 16 seconds water to make you here.
18:2818 minutes, 28 seconds Can you hear now?
18:4318 minutes, 43 seconds We're good. He's good. Yes. Yeah.
19:0519 minutes, 5 seconds Apologize. It'll just all be my fault for that set up there. We'll we'll do better next time. So, let's get our old business here again tonight and talk about our matrix system. Here we have
19:1319 minutes, 13 seconds everybody's got a copy of this and folks on the audit this what we're talking about a tool we'll use to help evaluate it's not the final tool it's one of the tools we want to use our goal is to try
19:2219 minutes, 22 seconds to in our between now our next meeting may just get this down to fewer sites we're looking at 20 something sites now we like to see this get down eight or 10
19:2919 minutes, 29 seconds sites and we can sort of go from there any thoughts on that comment from the committee I'm all for it I'm all for moving along
19:3719 minutes, 37 seconds I think that we have kind of drug not at a fault of ours drug the process out a little bit and had the the residents to have to keep coming out and and being
19:4619 minutes, 46 seconds bothered and um upset about it for weeks at a time and we ought to move it forward just a little bit. But I don't know that I'll be able to attend the next meeting. I'll be on a plane.
19:5419 minutes, 54 seconds That's July the 7th, is it? Not no.
19:5819 minutes, 58 seconds You could get in your Could you get in your no um your evaluation? Yes. Yes. Okay.
20:0520 minutes, 5 seconds Discuss a little later on, but I just want any talk about this this matrix. I can't do the It's the matrix. It's been
20:1320 minutes, 13 seconds refined a little bit. I think Jody did a good job explaining it previously about the criteria of the importance factor one to three and then the raw score from one to five.
20:2520 minutes, 25 seconds It's pretty self-explanatory to be honest. Jeeoff, you just everybody's going to kind of put their own thoughts to all of it, but uh we'll go through
20:3320 minutes, 33 seconds and score and and turn it in. And I don't know if you're ready to talk about that or not, but uh
20:4020 minutes, 40 seconds I think if a lot of folks here maybe are new here before, will you real quickly Jod to talk about the importance factor versus the raw score and how we get to the final number real quick?
20:5120 minutes, 51 seconds Sure. Um okay, we've got five criteria here listed. We've talked about those, been
20:5820 minutes, 58 seconds through those numerous times. There's an importance factor that you list one time for each one of them and that importance
21:0721 minutes, 7 seconds factor is the same all the way across for every site. Mhm.
21:1221 minutes, 12 seconds Uh the importance factor is one to three the sheet basically one is low you don't
21:1921 minutes, 19 seconds think it's very important medium it's kind of important you know and three it's very important
21:2821 minutes, 28 seconds understand importance factor there y think I got that and I I'll tell you how that's used in a minute
21:3521 minutes, 35 seconds uh then the scoring is per site And they're ranked one to three.
21:4421 minutes, 44 seconds So I put out there at the side of it, the higher the number, the better fit it is.
21:5021 minutes, 50 seconds One to five, Jody. One to five. Ain't it? One to five. I'm sorry. What' I say? Three. You did.
21:5521 minutes, 55 seconds Okay. One to five. Five means that it's excellent. That is favorable in that category. And then the opposite's true for number one. It's poor. There's major concerns.
22:0922 minutes, 9 seconds Now, any questions on that? Nope. Got that.
22:1322 minutes, 13 seconds And that's per site. You do that for each site, for each criteria.
22:1722 minutes, 17 seconds Now, what that's going to do, and that's that's where the importance factor comes in next when it does the weighted score, but it's going to use that importance
22:2522 minutes, 25 seconds factor, the same one for each site times this number we're putting in for
22:3222 minutes, 32 seconds the the raw score on it, basically. So if you think that it's really good
22:4022 minutes, 40 seconds for instance on let's say size where it's expandability phasing and buffer if you think it's a great site for that
22:4922 minutes, 49 seconds if you're let me let me back up a second. If the importance factor is a five for that it's going to take that five and multiply it by what you score it.
22:5922 minutes, 59 seconds Now, if it's a category and you just think it's one, it's not going to carry as much weight as one that you think is
23:0623 minutes, 6 seconds really important. So, the ones that you think are really important are going to carry a lot of weight in your overall score for each site.
23:1823 minutes, 18 seconds Yep. So, we get there. You can have more than one obviously with five categories.
23:2323 minutes, 23 seconds You can have two or three threes and a one and Oh, yeah. If you think they're all very important, you put a three put a three in there for all of them, right?
23:3223 minutes, 32 seconds Then they're gonna, you know, they're all equally as important. Gotcha.
23:4023 minutes, 40 seconds So again, be night. We'll discuss all the sides again. This committee go back then and actually fit out your matrix and get it turned back in so that we can
23:4823 minutes, 48 seconds determine how they plan. This matrix is not the two. It's not absolute. It'll give us a guideline. Hopefully we can see there's four, five or six that are
23:5623 minutes, 56 seconds obviously everybody thinks those are decent sites. Here's five or six that not good at all. At least four or five in the middle to talk about. So when we
24:0424 minutes, 4 seconds get it down that point to 6, 8, 10 sites in my mind toward the goal our next meeting. If we're at 20, sure we can get it cut in half. I would hope so. But I I
24:1324 minutes, 13 seconds usually would have several that'll be easy to say those are those will work.
24:1624 minutes, 16 seconds These are just not very good. Nobody really likes these. Now there's these four or five that we didn't talk about that are that some like them some don't like it etc. That's why this is not the
24:2524 minutes, 25 seconds absolute only two but we got to start somewhere to start landing these sites.
24:3024 minutes, 30 seconds So you want these in between now and the next meeting we talked at the end here we get them turned back in inside the seal envelope right before the next meeting that you
24:3924 minutes, 39 seconds can we by time we have those those scores tally before this next meeting. So we said come here we have the have them have the t information that we decide
24:4724 minutes, 47 seconds which are the if we agree with the top wait great but not we may have something we want to talk about for sure. So yeah that'll be the goal and hopefully get it down at least cut the sites in half
24:5524 minutes, 55 seconds hopefully you know is there a particular date we'll talk about the end here. Okay.
25:0025 minutesYeah we'll talk about that. Let's give everybody plenty of time but tonight spend a lot more time talking about these sites so we get a good feel about the sites. So
25:0725 minutes, 7 seconds yeah, one thing to make sure of is no matter how many sites we end up with, they're all going to come back to this
25:1425 minutes, 14 seconds committee to take this matrix a step further, look at in more detail and then go through it again. Correct.
25:2325 minutes, 23 seconds I agree. And I I think we get down to like you say six, eight sites, whatever we may decide and recommend to the council, these sites ought to be looked
25:3125 minutes, 31 seconds at. So geotetical work, for example, you we're not going to go out and do geotetic work on 20 some of the sites.
25:3625 minutes, 36 seconds That's not really reasonable or not very economical feasible. But we get down to I believe this group can openly agree on six or eight sites. It's worth taking to
25:4425 minutes, 44 seconds the next level. What that is will determine to your point what that next level is. But that's exactly sure. No matter what comes out of this
25:5125 minutes, 51 seconds exercise, it's not going to council based on this. That's right. How many more work to do?
25:5725 minutes, 57 seconds How long do we think we're going to it's going to be until we get some of these sites eliminated?
26:0326 minutes, 3 seconds just because of course you see the crowd here. Um they shouldn't have to keep coming out each and every time. We started with 15
26:1026 minutes, 10 seconds and now we're at 20 or 21 what I had last. I feared we'd already been down dwindling sites down by now because we have a deadline of September and it's got to be submitted. How quick, Regina?
26:2326 minutes, 23 seconds One one thing in my opinion, this is a huge decision for the city and and this probably one of the biggest investments
26:3126 minutes, 31 seconds the city's made since I've been part of this committee, which is over 15 years, I believe. I don't think this decision
26:3926 minutes, 39 seconds is something you rush. I think it's something you make sure you get right.
26:4726 minutes, 47 seconds That's my opinion.
26:5126 minutes, 51 seconds Something you need to say. I think Joey asked you something.
26:5626 minutes, 56 seconds And of course, I'm not one to rush it, but some of these sites obviously are not even feasible to us.
27:0127 minutes, 1 secondThe end of December. And the way I took what Joey said, it's just the way I took it. Not rush, but eliminate the ones
27:0827 minutes, 8 seconds that we know we can eliminate and get the process started instead of just adding to it. We need to be taking some off.
27:1627 minutes, 16 seconds Yes, that's the way I took it.
27:2027 minutes, 20 seconds We're not hung up on that deadline. I want y'all to know that it's real money, but we're talking real money here, too.
27:2627 minutes, 26 seconds By the way, this is a major this is by far the most project they've ever spent money on. It's utility project for it's worth it's not a general fund project.
27:3327 minutes, 33 seconds It's utility funds. It is the rateayers got to pay for this project, not the taxpayers necessarily. Sometimes they're same, some are not the same. But this is
27:4027 minutes, 40 seconds a major project, major consideration is not to be rough. No question about that.
27:4427 minutes, 44 seconds So, but we also need to drag it either is that find that fine that medium where everybody's satisfied. We're doing our due diligence. We do it right. Take a
27:5227 minutes, 52 seconds time to hope we can get it down like say six, eight sites and then we can really dig in those sites. I think that should be our goal.
27:5827 minutes, 58 seconds And I think we talked too about that matrix being a little bit more detailed once we get them down to Okay.
28:0728 minutes, 7 seconds Exactly.
28:0928 minutes, 9 seconds Another thing Let me just throw in here on the on the matrix. I think um I think Brandy sent out a copy an Excel of an
28:1728 minutes, 17 seconds Excel file of this. If you're familiar with this, it'd be real easy to fill it out and it'll calculate those numbers for you.
28:2828 minutes, 28 seconds If if you're not familiar with that, then it might be a longhand exercise, but there's a little bit of math here in that Excel sheet to do that automatically for you.
28:3728 minutes, 37 seconds So, we'll be sure at the end here, maybe tomorrow, next day, we send out that on the site that you can actually fill it in.
28:4628 minutes, 46 seconds Filling in. I do want them turned in in your sealed envelope, right?
28:5028 minutes, 50 seconds Oh, great. That'll save you some your own little short math, I guess, there. by just matrix.
28:5928 minutes, 59 seconds I've got some um I want to talk about those definitions a little bit further as we get into it. It might can be by
29:0629 minutes, 6 seconds case by case basis as we go into the sites. Um so just the five categories where it says
29:1529 minutes, 15 seconds community impact environmental. Okay, understood. Yeah, I agree. That makes more sense when we get ready to start with that's absolutely important.
29:2429 minutes, 24 seconds dimming the lights so we can read any of those answers. Yes.
29:3129 minutes, 31 seconds Yeah. Cut a couple out there. Thank you. Not yet.
29:4129 minutes, 41 seconds Maybe it's over here. Yeah, it is on this side. Yeah.
29:5329 minutes, 53 seconds Okay. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Source fourth open is item A.
30:0130 minutes, 1 secondAny more discussion right there before we move on to item B?
30:0630 minutes, 6 seconds Okay. Item B is now we've added is consultant selection. Hope you guys have agendas out there. It's up on the screen. Actually maybe two there as
30:1430 minutes, 14 seconds hopefully we had I think one new site that got came up on the landfill maybe the county landfill project and Steve
30:2330 minutes, 23 seconds part of the county is the back side of the county landfill basically and you did some information about that and I think send a letter any discussion
30:2930 minutes, 29 seconds about that site in particular was on the county landfill property. Was there something sent out about that?
30:3630 minutes, 36 seconds I think there was a an email, a memo, an email I sent to Jeff and got forwarded on to the uh committee called it site 21.
30:4630 minutes, 46 seconds Yeah, it's the backside of the county's landfill property.
30:5030 minutes, 50 seconds Um it's 66.48 acres. Um it's approximately 27,000 linear.
30:5830 minutes, 58 seconds It's on the screen there now, Tom.
30:5930 minutes, 59 seconds Force main in order to make those connections.
31:0231 minutes, 2 seconds um it's no environmental impact is there's no flood planes of concern as we've looked at you
31:1031 minutes, 10 seconds know talked about on all of them u as far as acquisition of the property is concerned it is county property so it would have to be an agreement between
31:1831 minutes, 18 seconds the city and the county in order to acquire that u to transfer that um it's just as difficult to build landfills it is is
31:2631 minutes, 26 seconds wastewater plants I don't know if the county would have any interest in giving up property that's not being you that's not being utilized at the landfill yet.
31:3531 minutes, 35 seconds Uh but it would have limited impact on adjacent property owners. Um there is no three-phase power, water or
31:4431 minutes, 44 seconds gas available at that point. Uh the road that you see is the county landfill road. So there would have to be uh a
31:5131 minutes, 51 seconds road built uh just for the city's use as that uh road is locked at night uh to prevent people from entering the
32:0032 minuteslandfill. So, uh, potentially a possibility, but that would just have to, you know, city and county would have to work something out for the use of that property.
32:1132 minutes, 11 seconds Is there environmental issues with being a landfill for that portion of the property? It does not appear. I don't I don't know this for certain, but it doesn't appear.
32:2132 minutes, 21 seconds Um, it is well established with trees and stuff. It doesn't so it doesn't appear that they've utilized any of that yet for um for the landfill. It looks
32:3032 minutes, 30 seconds like that's area that they have for future expansion of the landfill. Um but that would take we would have to do an environmental site assessment uh on that
32:3932 minutes, 39 seconds to see you know what impacts there are and if there are impacts what kind of mitigation techniques would uh be required. And not to beat the opponent
32:4832 minutes, 48 seconds up too much, but we all talk about before the landfills, the wastewater plant, and the prisons. None of us like those things. It is a peritted site. Was a county spent a lot of money years ago
32:5732 minutes, 57 seconds to get this site acquired, purchased, and permitted. That permit's a big deal.
33:0233 minutes, 2 seconds I can't imagine them want to release this property to anybody when they have a permit for it because they don't they come a lot more difficult probably than a plant than something like a sewer
33:1033 minutes, 10 seconds plant to be honest with you. So, but again, we can reach out and ask if you want to. We can ask the county votes.
33:1433 minutes, 14 seconds Not spoke with anybody about that. Uh, I guess the question is, do you want to add that site to your to your matrix? Question.
33:2133 minutes, 21 seconds I think so.
33:2433 minutes, 24 seconds Everybody come just add it to the matrix. We'll have to update the matrix and add that then to it. At least on mine.
33:3233 minutes, 32 seconds Yeah. So, we'll add it to the matrix then. Matrix is site 21, I believe.
33:4033 minutes, 40 seconds Question about that property.
33:4733 minutes, 47 seconds Okay. Can you pull up site seven, Regina? Site seven. Just add it on here.
33:5533 minutes, 55 seconds These sites here. We only added to added to the drawings since we last met and was on this sheet or not. Honestly, it's added to the big drawing.
34:0534 minutes, 5 seconds Okay. But not to the small drawing.
34:0734 minutes, 7 seconds But may that be here. That was it right there.
34:1034 minutes, 10 seconds That's it right there. Site seven has some potential I believe but it does not have good access at all. We I said if if
34:1834 minutes, 18 seconds we would look at site seven, we'd have to have the property. Can you show the property coming straight down to Horn Springs? Not to no just to the left of that. It's a track there about 24 acres.
34:2834 minutes, 28 seconds It's in a trust in somewhere in Virginia, I believe. But if you consider if we consider said, I believe you have to have that property there to get access. I just don't think we'd want to
34:3734 minutes, 37 seconds try to go through a project like Oral Drive there. I just don't think that would be very reasonable. So, so later on we'll talk about a little bit. You'll see that track there. If you site seven
34:4634 minutes, 46 seconds would require a piece of property like that I think for access. Okay.
34:5034 minutes, 50 seconds Your microphone a little closer. Could you keep turning your head? I'll try to do better. Yes, ma'am. Okay.
34:5734 minutes, 57 seconds So, slide seven does include that additional access to get to that property. Anything else that needs to be added to the matrix so that Well, we could look at later on.
35:0835 minutes, 8 seconds I won't believe site seven is worth much without that site.
35:1235 minutes, 12 seconds it becomes part of site seven even though it's a different merge it into a little later on. Yes, definitely. Anything else, Steve or Gina
35:2135 minutes, 21 seconds y'all can think of that's changed from on the mapping since we last met.
35:2735 minutes, 27 seconds Okay, we're ready to I guess that was the first bullet under B.
35:3335 minutes, 33 seconds think about was discussing any known opportunities and constraints tonight or I mean if somebody has
35:4335 minutes, 43 seconds questions about a particular site I'm more than happy to address those we'll get there in a minute I will say yeah but I don't have anything to add at this
35:5135 minutes, 51 seconds time any question right now from the from the group again we talked before third was review of the proximity to the of
35:5835 minutes, 58 seconds infrastructure flood plan considerations acorage I'll remind everybody again the goal has been we need 60 acres. That was the goal
36:0736 minutes, 7 seconds we were started out with. We were given the information. So look for six acre 60acre tracks at this point are larger.
36:1336 minutes, 13 seconds Um and any improvements that are out there other data. So anything about that bullet before we get into actually going through each site. I guess that's my question from earlier.
36:2136 minutes, 21 seconds I apologize. I guess that's my question from earlier. If we're looking at these properties at, you know, maximum size, what is the minimum size for the minimum
36:3036 minutes, 30 seconds acreage or and are we ruling out any sites sites that would fit a smaller
36:3636 minutes, 36 seconds treatment site? I just want to be sure that we understand that because I don't I don't right.
36:4336 minutes, 43 seconds So to address that to the committee, the reason so there you can get smaller. Okay. But
36:5236 minutes, 52 seconds when you look at the economics of it, getting smaller is more expensive because of the kind of equipment that you have to put in place in order to get smaller.
37:0337 minutes, 3 seconds So when from an engineering standpoint, when we look at the projects and we look at them from a costbenefit analysis, it
37:1137 minutes, 11 seconds it always comes down to what is the capital cost and what is the operation and management cost in order to
37:1837 minutes, 18 seconds construct something. So when you look at it and you say, "Yes, I can shrink the footprint, but by shrinking the footprint, it drives the cost up." I've
37:2637 minutes, 26 seconds got here on my computer 12 different cost analysis that were done for 12 different alternatives that we've looked
37:3337 minutes, 33 seconds at thus far. And so in order to get smaller, the cost goes up because the technology required is more expensive.
37:4237 minutes, 42 seconds It's more it has to be changed out more often. I mean, it's just like put it into terms everybody can understand.
37:5037 minutes, 50 seconds If you drive your car at 2,000 RPMs, it goes a lot longer than if you drive it around at 8,000 RPMs.
37:5737 minutes, 57 seconds So, that long-term operation and maintenance cost comes into play. So, when we looked through all that, what we
38:0438 minutes, 4 seconds came down to was, you know, yes, we can get smaller, but that's that's the
38:1138 minutes, 11 seconds capital and O andM cost perspective of things. And
38:1838 minutes, 18 seconds if you constrain yourself that goes back to you know exactly how how far we go into everything as the
38:2638 minutes, 26 seconds committee um at least in this initial round I think later rounds that becomes more pertinent as you're looking at
38:3338 minutes, 33 seconds other site or as we start to look at these sites you know is it if we shrink the size now to find an alternative location.
38:4438 minutes, 44 seconds Um, you know, what what does that do to the budget of the project? So, you know, from an engineering
38:5338 minutes, 53 seconds standpoint, yeah, we can we could get smaller, but if smaller is 50% more cost or and and I'm just putting numbers out
39:0139 minutes, 1 secondthere. These these aren't necessarily hard and fast things u because I'm not looking at it on my computer right now.
39:0839 minutes, 8 seconds Um, but you know what what is that what is that break point, right? So
39:1639 minutes, 16 seconds do do you care to go a little bit further into that because um for example,
39:2339 minutes, 23 seconds you know, we're talking about 20 million gallon per day system for the first phase one, 20 million gallons for phase two to get
39:3239 minutes, 32 seconds to a 50-year life cycle. We've discussed cost of pipe to the site. We've
39:4039 minutes, 40 seconds discussed cost of acquisition of sites, but if you're just put the cost to the side of those things and talk about the
39:4839 minutes, 48 seconds the system itself, if we set a 20 million gallon per day system as currently planned, roughly what what's that cost?
39:5939 minutes, 59 seconds You're saying just rule of thumb?
40:0040 minutesRule of thumb on the current layout that we're working off of. rule rule of thumb for wastewater plants right now is about 15 to$20 a gallon.
40:1140 minutes, 11 seconds So that's about $30 million. No, it's $300 million. Math never was my strong.
40:1940 minutes, 19 seconds Okay. Okay. So, you know, there All right. So, then on the on the
40:2640 minutes, 26 seconds smaller side, so that's a 20 million gallon plant.
40:2940 minutes, 29 seconds There was a uh utility in Middle Tennessee that last maybe a year, year and a half ago bid a job where they put
40:3840 minutes, 38 seconds in a membrane uh system. They went from a half million gallon a day treatment capacity to 1 million gallons per day of
40:4540 minutes, 45 seconds treatment capacity and the low bid was $29 million.
40:5140 minutes, 51 seconds In in general terms, that that's a smaller site. That's so you can see like it's a smaller plant so it costs more but also by going with the technology
41:0041 minutesthat allows you the smaller footprint it costs more. So you know you can extrapolate from there.
41:0741 minutes, 7 seconds Let's do that real quick. So 20 million gallons per day regular layout it's 300
41:1441 minutes, 14 seconds million 20 million gallons per day most technology savvy is how much?
41:2241 minutes, 22 seconds Well, the I don't have the economics of scale. So if you say that it was 29 million for a 1MGD plant, it wouldn't be
41:3141 minutes, 31 seconds exactly, you know, scale that. I mean, there would be some economics of scale there. So I don't want to overestimate
41:3941 minutes, 39 seconds just for the purpose of estimating, but it is it is it is more expensive to go with something like an MBR than it is a a traditional oxidation process.
41:5241 minutes, 52 seconds And that's a tough question maybe to answer right now that I think it is a viable question for us to consider because when we're thinking about
42:0042 minutesdistance of pipe at what 12 million was the most I think we saw on our list and we're talking about $300 million first
42:1042 minutes, 10 seconds phase on the lower end system. It's a small percentage I guess but well that's why we have laid out the
42:1942 minutes, 19 seconds same facility on every property because if you lay out the same facility on every property then the cost to build
42:2542 minutes, 25 seconds the facility is generally less or minus any uh grading cost and stuff should be
42:3242 minutes, 32 seconds relatively close and then it just became piping and so that's the reason why every site layout was based on that
42:4042 minutes, 40 seconds largest footprint. Yeah, completely understand.
42:4242 minutes, 42 seconds I can't ed your point. The point there really being no those details will come to play a little later on because guess what? We this committee going to get to fund it. Those folks down there plus
42:5142 minutes, 51 seconds four more get to fund it. And uh I agree with you, but million dollar million dollars and somebody's got to pay that debt service on that million dollars. So
42:5842 minutes, 58 seconds every dollar does count in many cent ways too. So, but to your point, those are details that we get into what this committee or some other group at some point. That's real real information. I
43:0743 minutes, 7 seconds think we need to sort of try to good questions, good comments, but I really think we should focus on resolution got passed. It's our our scope of services.
43:1643 minutes, 16 seconds Our task is to basically find some sites that would support a plant and then to your point earlier, those details are
43:2443 minutes, 24 seconds going to come into play before you can finalize a site. I really think that's absolutely true. Mhm.
43:2943 minutes, 29 seconds So I really think now we're still looking for about 60 acres plus par miners. We're planning that conventional treatment process. We can get those six
43:3743 minutes, 37 seconds eight sites narrowed down. And it's going to really take some digging, some investigated to determine what city level wants to actually build. All right.
43:4643 minutes, 46 seconds And say we don't like any of these sites, guys. Uh do it again or whatever.
43:5043 minutes, 50 seconds That's all alternative is we don't like any of these sites. But I really think our goal is to be look at these sites.
43:5643 minutes, 56 seconds six acres plus or minus and I try to home in there and determine get the point where we can come back with our
44:0344 minutes, 3 seconds top six eight 10 whatever and then see where we go from there. That is that a reasonable all good comments. Everything we say is legitimate. It's part of the process in the long term for sure.
44:1344 minutes, 13 seconds Absolutely.
44:1444 minutes, 14 seconds One last question on the treatment. No matter if it's a the 60 acre site or the smaller site, are both of those treating
44:2244 minutes, 22 seconds to a level that could be sold as gray water back for irrigation?
44:3044 minutes, 30 seconds Uh yes, I mean you know the the treatment is is good enough to get to the point where if you wanted to do uh
44:3944 minutes, 39 seconds reclaim water uh the last step is generally just u an extra filtration step depending upon the level of filtration required. And what I mean by
44:4744 minutes, 47 seconds that is you know some industrial users and stuff this day uh these days want to utilize uh reclaimed water as cooling
44:5444 minutes, 54 seconds water. And in that instance, their requirements for, you know, particulate matter in the cooling water versus the requirements uh for just using it for
45:0345 minutes, 3 seconds lawn irrigation could be different. So, it just depends on exactly what you're looking for uh and in that for that
45:1145 minutes, 11 seconds final effluent quality. Uh but generally, it comes down to the biggest factor in there being uh TSS.
45:2145 minutes, 21 seconds Item C, which I think is the meeting of our meeting this evening, is to maybe pull Steve's information you have in the packet here as committee. We've heard a
45:3045 minutes, 30 seconds lot from Steve last few weeks. It's time for us to talk some what you see, what you think about these various sites here. So, if we could go to this site,
45:3645 minutes, 36 seconds let's just start the beginning and talk to you about this site as a committee and share your thoughts and uh everybody is welcome to speak now. This is time to talk about them.
45:5045 minutes, 50 seconds So site one, we'll kick it off with site one. That's out on man road there. Any thoughts
45:5645 minutes, 56 seconds about sites? A large, it's a large site out at that location, not that property.
46:0346 minutes, 3 seconds I've not heard anything from them to my knowledge.
46:0846 minutes, 8 seconds Again, I'm looking for the committee now to ask question or comments about these sites and we'll roll through this process. I think it's really important for us to get these a little bit more.
46:2246 minutes, 22 seconds And here's where you mentioned what I gonna make about those comments about the categories of community impact right now. This is the first site.
46:3246 minutes, 32 seconds Yeah, sure. Um, you know, as we look at our matrix and we look at uh the definitions in there
46:3946 minutes, 39 seconds on the five we discussed at the last meeting. Um, when I think about this site number one right here, I I think about that
46:4846 minutes, 48 seconds last one where it says service efficiency and the definition we got last month was or last was referencing
46:5646 minutes, 56 seconds the UGB boundary. Um, is that the definition that we're we're going off of of how it was referencing?
47:0747 minutes, 7 seconds I think it's on page three those definitions proximity to existing and then
47:1447 minutes, 14 seconds consideration of the area within the UGB and the if that is the case as I as I think
47:2347 minutes, 23 seconds about this site you know I think I know what what number it gets based on its proximity to UGB
47:3047 minutes, 30 seconds right me personally that's not how I would score the situation I look at where's our water water plants out on the river.
47:3847 minutes, 38 seconds I'm see limits never been to city limits. So I think it's more about that's to me it's an important factor community impact is certainly important
47:4647 minutes, 46 seconds factor. It's going to get a high factor for me personally, but infrastructure as we all know does not need to be any certain any certain seed limits whatever. I would agree that the growth
47:5447 minutes, 54 seconds there is important think it's important factor but it has to be a site that will function and work for everyone you know
48:0148 minutes, 1 secondhas to has to work. So but I use that example the water plant's been out there a long time it's not you will never be the city limits supplies a lot of people water.
48:1148 minutes, 11 seconds Yeah I agree with that. But when I think about sewer and growth,
48:1748 minutes, 17 seconds um, so I've, you know, come come before council quite a bit talking about growth, talking about whether growth
48:2648 minutes, 26 seconds needs to be in the city limits, whether growth needs to be in the UGB, um, where growth needs to be. And what I
48:3448 minutes, 34 seconds what I hear is that there is a certain proximity of size that the city is right now
48:4248 minutes, 42 seconds um of what it can grow to or where it's at and it's a large footprint.
48:4848 minutes, 48 seconds So when I think about this sewer treatment plant going further on this site one I think well are we really want
48:5648 minutes, 56 seconds to grow the footprint of the sewer cap capacity area or not?
49:0349 minutes, 3 seconds And Caleb, you may be headed the same way I am. And I don't know. I'm I'll go ahead.
49:0949 minutes, 9 seconds If you don't care, I'll step in for a second.
49:1349 minutes, 13 seconds There's a whole lot of growth that could happen south of here that is going to drain to where it drains to today.
49:2449 minutes, 24 seconds And I just that property is more commercial, more industrial,
49:3249 minutes, 32 seconds more what I mean the only thing that's going to go out north town's residential development.
49:3949 minutes, 39 seconds I just I would have and I've thought this from the day I was asked to be on this committee. I'm gonna have a hard
49:4649 minutes, 46 seconds time scoring any site any higher than anything that's around the plan over there. And that's just the way I feel
49:5349 minutes, 53 seconds about it. And I appreciate I appreciate y'all coming
50:0350 minutes, 3 seconds and saying and y'all said a lot of things to us and and I was thinking that
50:1050 minutes, 10 seconds way before you said them, but I've listened and I still feel the same way and I live in the county. I wouldn't
50:1750 minutes, 17 seconds want it next to me and I'll never have sewer where I'm at. Don't don't need it.
50:2550 minutes, 25 seconds Don't want it. But uh there are some sites around the plan over here that I think are viable and I just I don't see
50:3450 minutes, 34 seconds the point. I mean, want me to rank them? I can do it pretty quick and I'll have I'll have them uh
50:4350 minutes, 43 seconds I'll have them tied down for you and and they'll be close to the plan over here.
50:4750 minutes, 47 seconds I'm just going to tell you that. So, you'll know my sheet when you see it. I think
50:5650 minutes, 56 seconds I think we're right on Randy and we have I think hopefully been patient enough everybody to speak in the last couple budget etc. It is time to move forward
51:0351 minutes, 3 seconds because your thoughts may be the same thoughts the rest of us having here. They may be a little different. Right.
51:0751 minutes, 7 seconds Right. Hope this point we can rank these sites and lindate those because what you're saying is probably true for a lot of folks in here. If we find a site in
51:1551 minutes, 15 seconds town that works, right? So, we're going to get there a few minutes on some discussion. But any add this this first site one
51:2251 minutes, 22 seconds like you said 40 years ago it might have been different, you know, right?
51:2851 minutes, 28 seconds I don't know honestly. I think they they made a decision in the 60s that lined up with their industrial park in the 50s and set the boundary at the city limits
51:3651 minutes, 36 seconds then and you know 40 years ago. Okay. They were say the EPA Atlanta trying to get this site approved right out here. Okay. It's 40 years ago. Things have changed since
51:4451 minutes, 44 seconds then to our point. I looked at maps of the day look at housing out in there.
51:4851 minutes, 48 seconds Hey 40 years ago wouldn't be homeless out there. Look at look at it today.
51:5251 minutes, 52 seconds That's right. But anyways, anything else about site one? Any momentum or discussion about site one? Anything else about let's go to site two then which is
52:0052 minutessame general area the comments about the environmental we talk more about the uh categories there too I don't want to
52:0752 minutes, 7 seconds rush past that making sure for what we're thinking as you said last time Randy it's a little bit of
52:1552 minutes, 15 seconds subjective everybody right there it's not an exact definition but the points are are well taken on everybody's everybody's thoughts here
52:2352 minutes, 23 seconds I would just say as you think about both these sites and you think about the roadway way uh capabilities out here and what you know what's going to be coming
52:3152 minutes, 31 seconds in out of a treatment facility under construction post construction I think you're really stretching with that that
52:3952 minutes, 39 seconds access certainly as I understand certainly the
52:4752 minutes, 47 seconds to now Baywood the next grand round is more about but most likely it is during construction you're exactly right larger equipment we'll get that a little later
52:5452 minutes, 54 seconds on too anybody wants to go thing on site too.
52:5952 minutes, 59 seconds You see the layout, the very conceptual layout. I will say that's a I've been through sites that's a hillside hill down etc. All these sites are going to
53:0853 minutes, 8 seconds need some kind of you know gradient type operations. There's no none of these here right now are flat sites. There be a couple flat sites. This is not these are not not one out of these first two.
53:1753 minutes, 17 seconds And if I can just ask I I kind of echo what Randy says representing the district the sewer plant said. Now, um I want to keep it inside the city and I
53:2453 minutes, 24 seconds think there's places right across from it that we can use. Um I don't want to put it out in the county. I was raised out in the county on a farm and I wouldn't have wanted it by me. It wouldn't have been by me where my
53:3253 minutes, 32 seconds parents live, but they still have the farm and I wouldn't want it out there.
53:3553 minutes, 35 seconds But um I think we should put it right right where it's at, close to where it's at. Can we make motions to remove some of these today?
53:5253 minutes, 52 seconds made a motion to remove site one and we put a put it to a vote. Can we do that today or no?
53:5753 minutes, 57 seconds Joey, I think that's kind of I mean why we met the last two weeks. Let's I agree
54:0454 minutes, 4 seconds with you. I think we could, but I think we do the rankings and do it do it the way that we've said we're going to do it. I think that ranking
54:1254 minutes, 12 seconds will show that. I don't think there's any need to worry about that. I think we need to go through the process. Okay, the direction really that the council
54:2054 minutes, 20 seconds gave us, right? We need to follow that direction.
54:2354 minutes, 23 seconds That's we just need to get there. We need we need to move forward to get there, right? Any any other comments?
54:2954 minutes, 29 seconds Any questions or comments about site three available, what's payable, what's
54:3854 minutes, 38 seconds available, the water water, etc. So, we're a little ways away from the uh Can we move to site four?
54:5154 minutes, 51 seconds Yep.
54:5354 minutes, 53 seconds When you say site four, can you say exactly where it is? I can't
55:0255 minutes, 2 seconds site three and four down the lower right corner of the of the uh section of Koh's very church. Can you
55:1055 minutes, 10 seconds slide up, Lorena? There's a church in the lower right corner. Here's a church.
55:1455 minutes, 14 seconds It's a bridge church of Christ. That's a church right there. Yes, ma'am. I thought that hit you.
55:1855 minutes, 18 seconds Okay. Those sites three and four close together right there.
55:2455 minutes, 24 seconds They could work. Any question about site four?
55:3055 minutes, 30 seconds I will say one of the on site three was currently site three only has access on church as well. Site that's not the best access in the world. Let's
55:3955 minutes, 39 seconds move on to four then access directly to Kohbury. That's one thing theory does not have other than
55:4855 minutes, 48 seconds that's in the same area that we know folks would rather not see what see a plan out that way but it would work I guess.
55:5655 minutes, 56 seconds Any comments on site four say it's under our 60 acre size right?
56:0456 minutes, 4 seconds Yeah. 49.
56:0656 minutes, 6 seconds And you see to your point you see how tight it becomes when you try to use a little less than 60 acres. It gets tight.
56:1356 minutes, 13 seconds like like we discussed. I mean, look at those details at the next stage. Yeah.
56:2156 minutes, 21 seconds So, these are side of each other, you know, you could look at multiple sites too, but again, try to look at these sites to try to determine how we can narrow this thing down to a few sites.
56:3156 minutes, 31 seconds Pretty hilly, too. It's rolling. That's right.
56:3756 minutes, 37 seconds Flight five
56:4756 minutes, 47 seconds have a comment too. When it says for existing infrastructure, when we're talking about no gas or water to these
56:5556 minutes, 55 seconds sites, what what kind of money are we talking? Well, I know we've talked linear feet when it um when it comes to pipes, but I I mean, what does that add?
57:0557 minutes, 5 seconds How how much more if we don't have that available is that 10%
57:1457 minutes, 14 seconds is it no it it won't be 10% of the total cost of the of the project I mean uh huge
57:2157 minutes, 21 seconds water need uh most of the water need is domestic at the at the facility you know a fire hydrant uh so you're probably
57:2857 minutes, 28 seconds talking 6 in uh water line so $200 a foot on water line depending upon proximity and then gas line would either
57:3657 minutes, 36 seconds be um small diameter steel or perhaps polyethylene. Uh again, min minimal cost
57:4457 minutes, 44 seconds there. It's just more wanted to make everybody aware uh of what utilities that was one of the things that was on the scoring matrix. And so I was trying
57:5257 minutes, 52 seconds to provide the information in line with the scoring matrix on what utilities would be needed.
57:5857 minutes, 58 seconds Um the most expensive utility uh to get to any site would be power. uh if there's not three-phase power available
58:0658 minutes, 6 seconds adjacent to the site, uh three-phase power can be expensive. Um because mte always has to determine where their
58:1458 minutes, 14 seconds closest load bank that can accommodate three-phase power is uh and then bring power from that location. So, um, not a
58:2258 minutes, 22 seconds not a good way for me to estimate that, uh, at this time. Now, as we if we narrow it down to, uh, fewer sites and
58:3058 minutes, 30 seconds we are interested in knowing that, I can get with MTE and see if they can give us estimates if they have to bring three-phase power in from a an offsite.
58:3858 minutes, 38 seconds Do we know if they even could?
58:4058 minutes, 40 seconds Oh, they can. They can. They can bring us power. Okay.
58:4358 minutes, 43 seconds It's just a matter of of where they have to bring it from and what the cost is. Thank you.
58:5058 minutes, 50 seconds One one thing I think about y'all notice I brought up twice now is the gray water. And when I think about that gray
58:5658 minutes, 56 seconds water um you know I know it's the sewer conversation but I assume the water going back out would be a city of
59:0359 minutes, 3 seconds Lebanon water conversation if you're going to try to sell that gray water back to the the public for irrigation.
59:1259 minutes, 12 seconds So when I think about those areas of which sites are in the areas I I do consider the city of Lebnum water
59:2059 minutes, 20 seconds service area because I am thinking about that great water
59:3459 minutes, 34 seconds com those categories just like
59:4259 minutes, 42 seconds community impact, environmental impact, the infrastructure, the size of properties, you know, the ability to serve the growth area attention to those tracks.
59:5359 minutes, 53 seconds Just like my friend and I talked about site five quite a bit, my buddy, he's probably out here somewhere. I'm sure sitting here somewhere. But, you know, those are the kind of properties that
1:00:001 hourhave the lines close to them. They look great on paper. They also have a lot of neighbors out there close by. That doesn't look so good, you know. So that's why this criteria is important to
1:00:081 hour, 8 seconds evaluate all those kind of things. You know, we need to put all the consideration
1:00:151 hour, 15 seconds because we're doing that. You know, one site got removed from this list before we really became a committee and I I
1:00:231 hour, 23 seconds don't know the details of why that site got removed, but it was in proximity to a school. Is that a factor we need to be
1:00:321 hour, 32 seconds considering or is that more of just a council consideration?
1:00:381 hour, 38 seconds Council removed that because it was across from the school.
1:00:411 hour, 41 seconds Yeah, we suspended the rules to do it. That wasn't the only reason. That was the neighborhoods beside of it.
1:00:481 hour, 48 seconds I mean, the residents didn't want it that close and it's very dense in that area.
1:00:521 hour, 52 seconds I would say this Kane Mal shopped in there a minute ago. If they if it all grass is they might like that water, but they got a lot of turf fields out there.
1:00:591 hour, 59 seconds I think in some of those years, you know, think about our schools, etc. So, especially like Friendship Folks, but they don't need that water problem anymore. You know, they got those nice turf fields.
1:01:101 hour, 1 minute, 10 seconds What are you asking?
1:01:121 hour, 1 minute, 12 seconds There's still right across the street from this site right here. And I wouldn't I wouldn't support the site at all. Yeah.
1:01:201 hour, 1 minute, 20 seconds I got a That's where you community impact. Yeah.
1:01:241 hour, 1 minute, 24 seconds That's what you do. I mean, you nail that side. You don't like it because it's right across from the school, right?
1:01:291 hour, 1 minute, 29 seconds That's one that the matrix works for that exact scenario. I'm sorry. Would you fix say something?
1:01:381 hour, 1 minute, 38 seconds I'm good.
1:01:391 hour, 1 minute, 39 seconds I got a question, Jeff. And it's not because I like this site. Okay. I promise I don't. But I'm curious. What's
1:01:461 hour, 1 minute, 46 seconds that little track up there behind? It looks like a little island of a piece of property there. Is that a separate track? And maybe some of the family.
1:01:551 hour, 1 minute, 55 seconds Okay. Comment too, Joe. a couple of sites.
1:01:591 hour, 1 minute, 59 seconds We're still at a very high level in this group here. I'm sorry about the hand motion here, folks. That's just my nature. But, you know, if that's was chosen, I would hope the city council would go try to buy that gentleman, too,
1:02:081 hour, 2 minutes, 8 seconds or let folks out, too. I wouldn't think they'd leave that person like that. I would hope not. It's not our control.
1:02:141 hour, 2 minutes, 14 seconds But, you know, we're that would come up some point time on two or three of these sites. I see where they're they're like if we end up out this far out.
1:02:221 hour, 2 minutes, 22 seconds All right. Anybody want to move on? Everybody move on passing up site five.
1:02:251 hour, 2 minutes, 25 seconds Any other question or comments about site five?
1:02:281 hour, 2 minutes, 28 seconds Site six
1:02:421 hour, 2 minutes, 42 seconds really large track folks that I've known a long time out here in the audience.
1:02:461 hour, 2 minutes, 46 seconds won't call any names of course you know but uh all right
1:02:541 hour, 2 minutes, 54 seconds any comments about site six any questions about site six so you part of this is so you can go back and do your own matrix evaluation now this is the
1:03:021 hour, 3 minutes, 2 seconds purpose of this discussion so it's a question anybody's got about any sites please ask it so maybe between the on so
1:03:071 hour, 3 minutes, 7 seconds we explain why it's why why it's there all right site Seven.
1:03:161 hour, 3 minutes, 16 seconds I mentioned earlier it just south of site six there. I mentioned it being really not the best access right now. Right there looking those properties.
1:03:241 hour, 3 minutes, 24 seconds I'm thinking if we chose site seven, you just got to add that to track. It's and if you're going down 7A to get to seven, which means you're going down
1:03:321 hour, 3 minutes, 32 seconds Horn Springs Road to get to the facility. I mean that's very similar to some of the other access locations we just discussed.
1:03:451 hour, 3 minutes, 45 seconds It's a lot closer to Leman too if you think about it too. But again all these sites that's why we're talking about them. Right. That's why we're talking about them. Will you say that again?
1:03:521 hour, 3 minutes, 52 seconds It's a lot closer to the the town really springs to Springs Road. Yeah. It's also got some heavy cost.
1:04:011 hour, 4 minutes, 1 secondS tevie I know we talked at one time. Did you ever look at getting those costs of those of the force line there? That was $20 million was was turns me off real
1:04:101 hour, 4 minutes, 10 seconds quick, right? And I said $20 million, but I think there might be some other options that too if they get to later on. So, just keep that back in mind. You know, there's other ways to get to that
1:04:171 hour, 4 minutes, 17 seconds site because that was the most expensive site as far as uh the line work. They'll assume you have to come all the way around the road and across track, etc., right? I believe.
1:04:281 hour, 4 minutes, 28 seconds Yes. You asked me to look at that one and we took a look at it and if I repurposed if I repurposed and I run
1:04:371 hour, 4 minutes, 37 seconds we allow the we kind of changed the hydraulics around through there um we are able to reduce a little bit of footage I think it got down to about 22,000 ft uh is what it looked like.
1:04:501 hour, 4 minutes, 50 seconds either on on the yeah you know and to say that I mean you know that this is like I've said at the last meeting let's assume that you run a
1:04:591 hour, 4 minutes, 59 seconds pipe from the existing pipe to the new plant wherever that is back to the existing uh at some point you know those
1:05:061 hour, 5 minutes, 6 seconds two pipes are adjacent to each other so you could go to one pipe instead of having two
1:05:131 hour, 5 minutes, 13 seconds pipes with a larger pipe you know cost of scale again it'll be more expensive than a single pipe, less expensive than
1:05:201 hour, 5 minutes, 20 seconds two pipes, comes down to some velocity concerns and stuff that you have to look at in design. But um you know, again, I
1:05:271 hour, 5 minutes, 27 seconds think once once we're looking at less sites, I can, you know, really narrow down that focus and uh provide a lot
1:05:361 hour, 5 minutes, 36 seconds higher level detail than what we have at this time.
1:05:391 hour, 5 minutes, 39 seconds Right. When I look at this site for example, y'all y'all didn't recognize I'm retired. I got more time than some of y'all got. Salute these sites. I look at that kind of site for example.
1:05:481 hour, 5 minutes, 48 seconds My concern about proximity to the house is it's a little less here just the way it lays right compared to some other sites. So that's all comparison. So not
1:05:561 hour, 5 minutes, 56 seconds picking any picker site at all to a point where I look at that factor maybe less is on some other sites for the houses right next to the property. So just things that I've looked at y'all
1:06:041 hour, 6 minutes, 4 seconds need to look at as you do your evaluations of different sites. Any else on site seven?
1:06:121 hour, 6 minutes, 12 seconds You brought that down to 12 million. closer to 20 million C.
1:06:191 hour, 6 minutes, 19 seconds Yeah, it's around 2022 somewhere in that range. I'm looking at the wrong site.
1:06:261 hour, 6 minutes, 26 seconds I don't think we consider having access I'm looking at the wrong site. I'm sorry.
1:06:291 hour, 6 minutes, 29 seconds Just don't think we consider accessing a a plant through an oil drive. Everybody tend to agree with that. That doesn't really make a lot of sense. Okay. Slide eight.
1:06:471 hour, 6 minutes, 47 seconds as as I looked at site eight um you know I think about the environmental conversation impact and
1:06:571 hour, 6 minutes, 57 seconds really when when we're under that title it's flood plane honestly what we're talking about here everything else under
1:07:041 hour, 7 minutes, 4 seconds that title is really site improvement cost and as you look at that layout on the screen
1:07:111 hour, 7 minutes, 11 seconds if it was to go on that site. I I think you tuck it further up on the on the river and then you consider its
1:07:191 hour, 7 minutes, 19 seconds proximity to the pipes from there. But um it's a minor thing. That's just as a look at that site.
1:07:341 hour, 7 minutes, 34 seconds Any comments or question about anything else about site eight? Okay. Site nine.
1:07:461 hour, 7 minutes, 46 seconds We've talked about before this especially almost all flood plane
1:07:551 hour, 7 minutes, 55 seconds flood plane can be dealt with sometimes when the whole site's flood plane makes it very difficult to put on there very tough
1:08:031 hour, 8 minutes, 3 seconds clarity the blue is floodway blue is floodway uh let's be sure Jody
1:08:111 hour, 8 minutes, 11 seconds James way in the uh purple is plane flood plane is this just it's 100 year
1:08:171 hour, 8 minutes, 17 seconds right the 100 year okay 100 year okay just came what was the answer yes
1:08:261 hour, 8 minutes, 26 seconds it was saying to me those will be the kind of should be easy to eliminate but that's up to the whole scoring group you know
1:08:341 hour, 8 minutes, 34 seconds anything any comments about site nine site in these are out. I apologize. These are all out off Co Pike area now.
1:08:441 hour, 8 minutes, 44 seconds Uh coming back a little bit more towards T or three tracks from this same area
1:08:521 hour, 8 minutes, 52 seconds here. Any questions about site N back up on the north there is a landfell.
1:09:061 hour, 9 minutes, 6 seconds Landfield is directly to the north there. way the hell away.
1:09:181 hour, 9 minutes, 18 seconds Some of these sites in long culture tend to have better access to three-phase power. I think too, don't they Steve?
1:09:221 hour, 9 minutes, 22 seconds Most of these sites long culture pack have the three-phase power more readily available. Again, one of the factors
1:09:291 hour, 9 minutes, 29 seconds you think these are close obviously have a pretty good price on the uh on the linear foot of pipe to connect. That's
1:09:371 hour, 9 minutes, 37 seconds that thousand foot up adds up real quick.
1:09:411 hour, 9 minutes, 41 seconds This is more of a history question, Jeff, and you could probably answer it.
1:09:441 hour, 9 minutes, 44 seconds As I looked at sites 10, 11, and 12, it it seems like sewer's been out here since Kantiki got built, which was in
1:09:531 hour, 9 minutes, 53 seconds the 80s, and there's a large sewer line going in that drain all through these areas.
1:10:001 hour, 10 minutesYet, none of these areas have developed in 40 years. If you recall, I should turn over to Miss Conrad right now. You know, she's out there. Conte was built
1:10:091 hour, 10 minutes, 9 seconds in the county. Did not have sewer. It got served. I came worked here in 190
1:10:161 hour, 10 minutes, 16 seconds ser, but contempl
1:10:281 hour, 10 minutes, 28 seconds after it got annexed in the 80s somewhere because we were living out there when they did it.
1:10:331 hour, 10 minutes, 33 seconds Yeah. Kentucky did not have sewer until after 1990.
1:10:421 hour, 10 minutes, 42 seconds None of these, you write this here just has not taken off that kind of growth. You're you're exactly right though.
1:10:531 hour, 10 minutes, 53 seconds Any comments on site and really? Yeah, let's keep it like we've got it on site 10 right now.
1:11:021 hour, 11 minutes, 2 seconds Okay. Site 11 right next to it. Of course,
1:11:101 hour, 11 minutes, 10 seconds again, you mentioned this is the site 11. Actually, it it looks very narrow at the rightway. Is there enough?
1:11:221 hour, 11 minutes, 22 seconds The rideway those are tight, but you they have to have some kind of front, I believe. Of
1:11:291 hour, 11 minutes, 29 seconds course, I guess if site was level that 50 ft minimum.
1:11:331 hour, 11 minutes, 33 seconds I guess you could always talk to site 10 or site below there about some additional rightway if you needed that in additional access. But uh I also had a point earlier 56 acres. It's still a
1:11:421 hour, 11 minutes, 42 seconds pretty tight site. 56 acres this we need multiple access points coming into facility.
1:11:531 hour, 11 minutes, 53 seconds You know, it never hurts to have multiple access points. We know that.
1:11:561 hour, 11 minutes, 56 seconds Never hurts. I know that's a requirement. I've been to several sites around about where they have one drive and there you know the sites just
1:12:031 hour, 12 minutes, 3 seconds actually three 400 foot off the road thank I've been to right now but only have one way and out probably but you want to say something
1:12:121 hour, 12 minutes, 12 seconds since it's a utility we like to control the access so if you go out to the plant now either the water or the sewer plant it's gated you have to have code to get
1:12:201 hour, 12 minutes, 20 seconds in just homeland security any com questions about site 11.
1:12:331 hour, 12 minutes, 33 seconds Site 12,
1:12:461 hour, 12 minutes, 46 seconds a very large certainly would not need to acquire all that property if you had it within property owner wanted to sell them.
1:12:541 hour, 12 minutes, 54 seconds And he is down on Hartman Drive. Also very close to see close to the school as well. Yeah.
1:13:051 hour, 13 minutes, 5 seconds I don't know of anything I' ever heard of that close to the schools is a negative for the wast plane as far as any kind of risk to students etc. I've not never heard I've never heard that.
1:13:141 hour, 13 minutes, 14 seconds see if you're familiar with anything like this for No, I mean there's no risk to anyone from a water reclamation or or sewer
1:13:221 hour, 13 minutes, 22 seconds facility, whatever you want to refer to it as. I mean, you know, that's we're just dealing with the same stuff that leaves people's houses. We're just
1:13:311 hour, 13 minutes, 31 seconds cleaning it up so that it can be returned to the river. So there's no there there's there's no concern with people being adjacent to it. Okay.
1:13:421 hour, 13 minutes, 42 seconds Any comments or questions on site 12?
1:13:451 hour, 13 minutes, 45 seconds just on Koh's very pike and actually on Hartman Drive you would have multiple access points
1:13:551 hour, 13 minutes, 55 seconds on site 13 and 13A here. I want to spend a little time here too because this is the
1:14:031 hour, 14 minutes, 3 seconds I think one of the very best sites that that could possibly be considered. So 13 was just the site. Look, everybody's heard this. I'm going to use the name.
1:14:111 hour, 14 minutes, 11 seconds It's the Rockwood site. Everybody's heard that to be discussed. Site 13 is a Rockwood site. It is pretty much all
1:14:181 hour, 14 minutes, 18 seconds flood plane. Uh for me, the that site are it's great that it's close by.
1:14:221 hour, 14 minutes, 22 seconds The are what's in the ground out there. It's been filled over the years.
1:14:251 hour, 14 minutes, 25 seconds We do not know what's out there. So geotetic work been important on that site. Would you say for sure, Steve? Which site you say? Site 13.
1:14:311 hour, 14 minutes, 31 seconds Rockwood, which is the Rockwood site.
1:14:331 hour, 14 minutes, 33 seconds What would what would be in the years from now? was when he was much younger a guy and when I was really really young here too uh that block was
1:14:411 hour, 14 minutes, 41 seconds a lot lower it just got over time got filled in by the lowjack folks it was filled up filled up filled up so it take a lot of due to verify what's there is
1:14:491 hour, 14 minutes, 49 seconds it suitable to build on it is it got to come out etc so it's you know it looks great you drive by it has some concerns from an engineering technical view for
1:14:561 hour, 14 minutes, 56 seconds sure absolutely you just said now I like 13 plus 138
1:15:041 hour, 15 minutes, 4 seconds to be talked about quite a bit this is slightly in the city of Leman.
1:15:081 hour, 15 minutes, 8 seconds Everything we've talked about, you thought I'd be really be dead strong.
1:15:121 hour, 15 minutes, 12 seconds This is where I where I would think it should be.
1:15:171 hour, 15 minutes, 17 seconds Just talking about that flood plane a little bit. You you know, you look at that site and I mean that that site became Rockwood because the gasification
1:15:261 hour, 15 minutes, 26 seconds plant. That's how it all started. and they've since about 14 or 15 just been doing a lot of various things out there
1:15:341 hour, 15 minutes, 34 seconds that are definitely in the flood plane and they're definitely filling in the flood plane. So,
1:15:431 hour, 15 minutes, 43 seconds it's already being done. It's being controlled in the city limits.
1:15:501 hour, 15 minutes, 50 seconds The willing seller city would be the one reviewing the flood plane analysis.
1:15:551 hour, 15 minutes, 55 seconds I mean, flood plane doesn't seem to stand out to me as a big issue as that color purple shows it to be.
1:16:041 hour, 16 minutes, 4 seconds Has it ever been flooded before? Do we know? Oh, yeah.
1:16:101 hour, 16 minutes, 10 seconds Sure it has, Camille. But I can't certain I've seen that one. I've been out flood plan. I've been downtown. And and Caleb, from since you're an
1:16:181 hour, 16 minutes, 18 seconds engineer, um building up building this up to be able to put this the plant on it, what would that consist of?
1:16:251 hour, 16 minutes, 25 seconds I know you mentioned it. You mentioned it at the last meeting.
1:16:271 hour, 16 minutes, 27 seconds Yeah, that's probably a question for Regina. I mean, does city of Lebanon approve the flood plane period now or is it go further than that?
1:16:381 hour, 16 minutes, 38 seconds Does the flood plane approval stop at the city?
1:16:441 hour, 16 minutes, 44 seconds The flood plane approval if they don't if they get into the flood way, which is the blue area, which is pretty much no man's land. If you tried
1:16:521 hour, 16 minutes, 52 seconds to do anything in there, it would involve FEMA. The flood plane area would be more our flood plane coordinator, which would be the engineering department upstairs.
1:17:011 hour, 17 minutes, 1 secondYeah.
1:17:011 hour, 17 minutes, 1 secondBut the more like what's I think I think it was Jeff talking about we don't know what kind of field is there. So
1:17:091 hour, 17 minutes, 9 seconds geotechnical information for this would be very important just because we know it has been filled.
1:17:171 hour, 17 minutes, 17 seconds I assume you could put these on peers or whatever if you wanted to not remove all that fill material if it was a certain
1:17:261 hour, 17 minutes, 26 seconds That's a really good comment because I believe the intent was these tanks be buried. Was that right, Steve?
1:17:301 hour, 17 minutes, 30 seconds Yeah. So, we can we can obviously build in an area like this. This is that's not an issue.
1:17:371 hour, 17 minutes, 37 seconds um you know, we do some investigation to help identify what the cost is compared to being able to build um without any
1:17:461 hour, 17 minutes, 46 seconds special provisions. Um number one, as Jeff has said, you know, geotechnically, you know, what is the bearing capacity of the field material that's been put in
1:17:541 hour, 17 minutes, 54 seconds there? An environmental site assessment will have to be completed to determine what kind of field material has been put in there and make sure there's not anything that shouldn't have been placed
1:18:021 hour, 18 minutes, 2 seconds in there uh that needs to be taken off site uh somewhere else.
1:18:071 hour, 18 minutes, 7 seconds um you know looking at that site 13 by itself you can see is is very constrained. So we would obviously be
1:18:161 hour, 18 minutes, 16 seconds looking at one of these smaller processes that are more space efficient.
1:18:211 hour, 18 minutes, 21 seconds Um and so you know but yeah you you can build them there. I mean if we can even build and bury the tanks down. The top
1:18:281 hour, 18 minutes, 28 seconds of the tank has to be obviously higher than the flood elevation and then rock anchors uh would be placed in the ground
1:18:351 hour, 18 minutes, 35 seconds to prevent flotation of the tank if it happened to be empty uh during a flood event. So uh all of those things are
1:18:421 hour, 18 minutes, 42 seconds possible. Uh any operations buildings anything like that would have to be built up uh such that the finished floor
1:18:491 hour, 18 minutes, 49 seconds uh was above uh the flood elevation. Um, you know, or as you said, Caleb, you know, if you did peers, thing about
1:18:561 hour, 18 minutes, 56 seconds peers is, you know, you got a 20 foot deep tank, how much of it do you want to look at? You know, do you want it to be 20 foot in the air? Then, you know,
1:19:041 hour, 19 minutes, 4 seconds you're talking about skywalks, um, between tankage and stuff. So, we we would prefer to keep it down, keep it, you know, five, six foot, um, you know,
1:19:131 hour, 19 minutes, 13 seconds so that somebody could walk up to it, have, you know, a few steps to be able to get up to a platform to be able to see what's going on in the tank, uh, to
1:19:201 hour, 19 minutes, 20 seconds make it easier for, uh, the treatment plant operators to be able to do their jobs. Yeah. And much safer. Yeah.
1:19:281 hour, 19 minutes, 28 seconds One one thing with this site, I I don't see any reason why we don't have that corner on this site. I I I get it. Maybe they don't want to sell, but all they're
1:19:361 hour, 19 minutes, 36 seconds doing is storing block out there. You know, surely there's somewhere else around here that could be offset to
1:19:431 hour, 19 minutes, 43 seconds store some block if to improve that whole whole property.
1:19:491 hour, 19 minutes, 49 seconds I would agree having both of them because if you had both of those properties together, 13 and 13A, right, would you not have enough um talking about this one?
1:19:581 hour, 19 minutes, 58 seconds Yeah, I'm referencing the corner of Alahhamra and Hartman. He's looking at a corner. Alec Cassy's corner.
1:20:041 hour, 20 minutes, 4 seconds You know the string there, Joey. He's looking at that area right there. That's that corner.
1:20:101 hour, 20 minutes, 10 seconds Is this for at some point that conversation would be had if he gets down to our final final three or four for sure. No doubt.
1:20:191 hour, 20 minutes, 19 seconds 13 has some challenges because of flood plane because materials out there ought to be on I believe ought to be on our on our list.
1:20:311 hour, 20 minutes, 31 seconds talk about we talk about 13 a minute we can go back to but 13 13 to me to me is sort of tied together I do I do have one question with 13A
1:20:391 hour, 20 minutes, 39 seconds Steve we're 13A well it's about 13A okay we'll go to 13A then all right with the 8 million with the $8 million
1:20:461 hour, 20 minutes, 46 seconds if we had 13 and 13A that number would be could be reduced the $8 million worth
1:20:551 hour, 20 minutes, 55 seconds of piping yes I I think so I I mean, again, like I said, you know, when I was putting this stuff together the other day, and I
1:21:031 hour, 21 minutes, 3 seconds didn't go back and look at this one, uh, you know, when you look at the way this lays out just in this block, right? I mean, there's two existing force mains.
1:21:111 hour, 21 minutes, 11 seconds Do those have to be moved out of the way? you know, um, obviously once you get more indepth, you know, you could move some of those basins if you wanted
1:21:201 hour, 21 minutes, 20 seconds to stay with this type of a treatment system. Some of those basins, you know, now easily move back over to Rockwood's uh, site, uh, instead of having to be
1:21:291 hour, 21 minutes, 29 seconds all, you know, over there. Now, I'm showing it outside the flood plane, but obviously it makes it easier to mitigate a little bit of work in the flood plane
1:21:371 hour, 21 minutes, 37 seconds than it is a lot of work in the flood plane. So, um I think that you know from my standpoint as an engineer uh on this
1:21:461 hour, 21 minutes, 46 seconds project, you know, that large site of 13A which acquires the acquisition of I think four uh properties or or at least
1:21:541 hour, 21 minutes, 54 seconds um you know pieces of four properties uh is substantially better uh from a being
1:22:021 hour, 22 minutes, 2 seconds able to lay everything out uh and gives the flexibility for the city to be able to choose a process.
1:22:101 hour, 22 minutes, 10 seconds uh that you know is both both cost effective and operator friendly with the ability to adapt to you know any changes
1:22:181 hour, 22 minutes, 18 seconds in future regulations uh in regards to the treatment of uh you know septage and sewage.
1:22:251 hour, 22 minutes, 25 seconds Isn't there a 100 foot transmission line gas transmission line on 13? on 13. There is Yes, you can.
1:22:341 hour, 22 minutes, 34 seconds It runs I don't have it. It's up closer to Hartman Drive. It kind of runs through that Alley Cassidy property right there. Um kind of in the front.
1:22:451 hour, 22 minutes, 45 seconds You see the lower corner down there where it's coming up through? Look down on down a little lower.
1:22:521 hour, 22 minutes, 52 seconds And Jeff, if I may ask, why was LA Cassid's property not added in?
1:22:571 hour, 22 minutes, 57 seconds Yeah, look at that. And that may be a better question for Steve Regina. That was before these are the sites that they looked at originally. I thought I guess it's probably the one to even talk about it right now.
1:23:071 hour, 23 minutes, 7 seconds Yeah. So, back to that question. So, when we when we were just selecting properties, we were just selecting properties that were large enough in
1:23:151 hour, 23 minutes, 15 seconds acreage to provide the entire acreage so that the city would only be trying to negotiate u you know with one property
1:23:221 hour, 23 minutes, 22 seconds owner uh if they were interested in that site. Uh we didn't look at the the combinations of properties to go together. This was one that was
1:23:301 hour, 23 minutes, 30 seconds obviously brought up in one of the first meetings. Uh and so we put this together based on uh what those properties were.
1:23:371 hour, 23 minutes, 37 seconds Uh and in that particular layout, um you know, you don't need the the piece from Ali Cassidy there.
1:23:471 hour, 23 minutes, 47 seconds If we look at these sites a little closer, we got to focus on this these sites right here for sure.
1:23:531 hour, 23 minutes, 53 seconds You know, yes, these are in town. We also got to give you guys a council of three sites. So there needs to be backup plans because we might find out that this site for some reason does not work.
1:24:021 hour, 24 minutes, 2 seconds Okay. So we need to have three or four sites identified before it's over. This site certainly in my mind has a lot of merit to it. And I and I like personally like the 13 plus 13A.
1:24:121 hour, 24 minutes, 12 seconds Agree would um take away I I wasn't on the council then but isn't it a 700 unit apartment complex that was approved?
1:24:201 hour, 24 minutes, 20 seconds Just just up there that since the track there in the middle there it says it's look real close. It's map 45 parcel 57.
1:24:271 hour, 24 minutes, 27 seconds If you help show the little bit, it's 57 acre 40, excuse me, 44.8 acres. That's a track that has proof of the apartment
1:24:331 hour, 24 minutes, 33 seconds complex and town homes that uh they've got some water sewer in and they just stopped. So, I've asked our city attorney to see if he can find out
1:24:421 hour, 24 minutes, 42 seconds status that, you know, does the bank own it somewhere now? Who owns that property? Every site we're talking about here, every site on this list, these 20 sites belong to an individual property
1:24:501 hour, 24 minutes, 50 seconds owner. We can reach out and talk to somebody, right?
1:24:521 hour, 24 minutes, 52 seconds I have a contact form. This one here is one we're well and we'd like to get that. But I've asked our attorney as the last bit of last week to try to find out
1:25:001 hour, 25 minuteswho is over that site now because we'd like to talk to them about that site.
1:25:041 hour, 25 minutes, 4 seconds It's someone up north and um it is I have I I've got their contact somewhere in a text message that I can I can forward to you, Jeff.
1:25:111 hour, 25 minutes, 11 seconds But you look at that site 13 days since you're on there now. It does have that large site of 44.8 acres has a smaller
1:25:171 hour, 25 minutes, 17 seconds site there that's right adjacent to the between that and Rockwood. There's a site up in the corner of uh I guess it' be the on this property it' be the
1:25:261 hour, 25 minutes, 26 seconds northwest corner if I'm looking my directions right uh belongs same gentleman across the street there and he's located over there so there are at
1:25:341 hour, 25 minutes, 34 seconds least what four tracks there it looks like one two three four in 13A includes 13 right
1:25:421 hour, 25 minutes, 42 seconds that's correct that's start scoring them when we score yes those together it's just scoring 13A
1:25:511 hour, 25 minutes, 51 seconds we need add that. We need to add that to that matrix because it's not set up right now. We add a 13A column, right? Be both of them together.
1:25:591 hour, 25 minutes, 59 seconds And and I guess that's the question I like the committee to discuss here too.
1:26:021 hour, 26 minutes, 2 seconds Should we be evaluating 13 and 13A as one site? That's my question. Yes, I agree. I would think so.
1:26:101 hour, 26 minutes, 10 seconds Corner of Alic Cassy's property right there. And then yeah, and in my in my opinion, if if we're um
1:26:191 hour, 26 minutes, 19 seconds if we're looking at these properties, I would rather get rid of a 700 unit apartment complex that was approved a long time ago and put a plant like this
1:26:261 hour, 26 minutes, 26 seconds there than have 700 more apartments on Carlane.
1:26:301 hour, 26 minutes, 30 seconds And I think this property is already in the city, which is what make a lot of other people happy. It's already city property.
1:26:401 hour, 26 minutes, 40 seconds Go ahead and add that Aliccasti property to that as well.
1:26:441 hour, 26 minutes, 44 seconds There were two, would it not?
1:26:471 hour, 26 minutes, 47 seconds It would for future growth.
1:26:491 hour, 26 minutes, 49 seconds Yeah, we'll have to have it. R is what I'm saying. We could look at we have it didn't have to have it. But I do think
1:26:571 hour, 26 minutes, 57 seconds Adakast is a city. You might talk about all their property over there on the other side of the road, too.
1:27:031 hour, 27 minutes, 3 seconds They're on the south side, too. back in 196 what seven they didn't have to have as much as they did and now we're outgrown. So I mean I'd rather get what
1:27:111 hour, 27 minutes, 11 seconds we can at the time map which also had a cast across the street.
1:27:161 hour, 27 minutes, 16 seconds It's there. Don't they have some across right there too? So that's but why wouldn't we take that you know use that corner? Why wouldn't we get the corner too?
1:27:231 hour, 27 minutes, 23 seconds Yeah, but we don't necessarily have it right now with those two the tracks shown. We're already talking about five tracks. So maybe we we need to get those
1:27:321 hour, 27 minutes, 32 seconds five we have to have and then talk about just think out loud this ultimate use God's call but we don't need that track right now.
1:27:381 hour, 27 minutes, 38 seconds No but it'd be nice I'd like to add that in only because if we decided to go on this property in the next 50 years when this comes up again you hope hopefully
1:27:461 hour, 27 minutes, 46 seconds we'll push this out to that it'll be a long I I'll be dead and gone before make a decision again. That's right.
1:27:521 hour, 27 minutes, 52 seconds Let's just get it put to bed for a long time.
1:27:541 hour, 27 minutes, 54 seconds I agree needs to be included in that 13 on 13.
1:27:591 hour, 27 minutes, 59 seconds They're not willing. Don't let that stop the pursuit of the other two.
1:28:041 hour, 28 minutes, 4 seconds That's right. And again, as far as I know, we've not talked to anybody.
1:28:081 hour, 28 minutes, 8 seconds Nobody's talked to anybody that owns 138 tracks. It's just that discussed last time we identified this much land
1:28:151 hour, 28 minutes, 15 seconds Cedar Cedar Farms project sort of going to funk. It also is a much more viable option.
1:28:211 hour, 28 minutes, 21 seconds It's fenced off and it's just pushing up grass. So what I'm hearing is the committee let's look at 13 13A is one site and include the little corner that's currently out
1:28:301 hour, 28 minutes, 30 seconds LA Cassidy property ranking you're ranking that that track we're going to call it 13
1:28:391 hour, 28 minutes, 39 seconds 13 it site 13 on your matrix so therefore we ain't got to change our matrix everybody understand site 13 is now
1:28:461 hour, 28 minutes, 46 seconds accommodation of 131 13A plusy property right that's good so now it's that makes it about probably 140 50 acres.
1:28:561 hour, 28 minutes, 56 seconds It's 123 is shown there without that little corner tra. Okay. All right. There's plenty of buffer.
1:29:061 hour, 29 minutes, 6 seconds I don't want my granddaughter in here in 50 years going over.
1:29:111 hour, 29 minutes, 11 seconds Part of the challenge here for the group. We are to identify at least three sites in case understand this one doesn't work. So if that works that would be great. No doubt. All right.
1:29:191 hour, 29 minutes, 19 seconds Let's move on through to site 14.
1:29:221 hour, 29 minutes, 22 seconds That is I believe that's the permapite property I believe. Is that correct?
1:29:301 hour, 29 minutes, 30 seconds Anybody comments on that site other than the fact it's you got to I guess my concern is you got to move an existing company.
1:29:401 hour, 29 minutes, 40 seconds And so we can talk about this one and 16 together. I guess then because that that's a big thing, right? You you got to move the existing company
1:29:491 hour, 29 minutes, 49 seconds have there. You're right. But yet one's a drone one's the corporate headquarters only one we got in town. Right. Almost.
1:29:561 hour, 29 minutes, 56 seconds Uh also I would note on 14 the site doesn't it's not large enough. Yeah.
1:30:021 hour, 30 minutes, 2 seconds Based on the 60 acres but if you use the existing facility and change the size of it it could be our criteria 60 acres. Don't forget that
1:30:111 hour, 30 minutes, 11 seconds it's our criteria for a layout right now. So it doesn't even meet that criteria.
1:30:171 hour, 30 minutes, 17 seconds It's not even half that. But but talking about moving existing facility like this, I mean I I don't see that as a big challenge. You know, you're talking about ma mainly a layown yard here.
1:30:281 hour, 30 minutes, 28 seconds You're talking about Yeah, they've got a functioning manufacturing facility,
1:30:341 hour, 30 minutes, 34 seconds but they've also been there forever. Um they there's probably other sites around
1:30:411 hour, 30 minutes, 41 seconds the area if they're going to add employees, they want to grow their facility, they might be maxed out. You
1:30:481 hour, 30 minutes, 48 seconds know, moving facilities like this, I think deserve good conversations to see
1:30:551 hour, 30 minutes, 55 seconds if there's really a um maybe there's an economical benefit for both people to to make it make sense. So that's what I
1:31:041 hour, 31 minutes, 4 seconds think about this one and 16. Is that something we could we could get with the JCDB with to where because I know they're on the railroad and see if we
1:31:131 hour, 31 minutes, 13 seconds could they could find them a piece of property that's larger out maybe in Watertown area on the railroad so they can expand and grow and then try to do
1:31:211 hour, 31 minutes, 21 seconds like a swap there. Would that not be something feasible?
1:31:251 hour, 31 minutes, 25 seconds Think it happens all the time. I mean, I had thought about that, too. And just looking at the property, I know they didn't want to sell it because it has an existing business on it, but if they're
1:31:331 hour, 31 minutes, 33 seconds the only place in America that makes that part or pipe or whatever it is, then they would probably want to grow, like you said, and expand their business.
1:31:421 hour, 31 minutes, 42 seconds Well, just think about they're they're in they're not in the best access location to hit the interstate with pipe. Yeah.
1:31:471 hour, 31 minutes, 47 seconds So, I mean, yeah, I I definitely think that needs to be looked at as well as the one across the street.
1:31:561 hour, 31 minutes, 56 seconds on 14 which is the permapot site. So again, if there disagree with that site, that's okay. That's why we're going to have a matrix. We're going to rank them, right?
1:32:041 hour, 32 minutes, 4 seconds Y All right, let's talk about the cracker site.
1:32:081 hour, 32 minutes, 8 seconds And this is a home run. I mean, you know, there hasn't been a class A office space.
1:32:141 hour, 32 minutes, 14 seconds If I misspoken, site 15 is actually not, it's actually the TRW site. So, we're coming up on that a little bit later on.
1:32:211 hour, 32 minutes, 21 seconds So let's look at CRW site you know and u thing I shared with time or two with my background here
1:32:301 hour, 32 minutes, 30 seconds a lot of people don't maybe not know this the city of 11 already owned about 7% of that of the TRW property it was the first back in the 60s of city 11
1:32:371 hour, 32 minutes, 37 seconds work with TRW to bring those folks here city owned it's really weird city owned about 7% of that building already and
1:32:461 hour, 32 minutes, 46 seconds most of the property out there about 40 acres total TRW actually own 30% of the building plus the little property. So
1:32:531 hour, 32 minutes, 53 seconds when they sort of start shutting down, the ZF shut down a few few years ago, we started talking about, you know, acquiring that entire property. It took a long time because a whole lot of
1:33:021 hour, 33 minutes, 2 seconds environmental concerns that I'm certainly familiar with, but bottom line is you start escalating that property, you get into start digging, you get into
1:33:101 hour, 33 minutes, 10 seconds a lot more issues that you really don't want I don't want to turn up, but go ahead. That's what I was fixing to say, Jeff.
1:33:151 hour, 33 minutes, 15 seconds In my time in Lebanon and working for the city, there are monitoring wells all over that site, which tell me bad
1:33:241 hour, 33 minutes, 24 seconds things. So, the surface and don't start disturbing earthquakes.
1:33:281 hour, 33 minutes, 28 seconds Yeah, if you could above it, you'd be great, but you can't. You're going to have to dig in the ground and that's not going to be good.
1:33:341 hour, 33 minutes, 34 seconds The city did a few months ago, I think maybe recently. I guess they closed on the property. You know, do you know that we owned the propert city owned the
1:33:401 hour, 33 minutes, 40 seconds property now? All of it. So it was about two years worth of environmental just just to get to the point where they got
1:33:481 hour, 33 minutes, 48 seconds to clean stuff up uh etc. So that probably doesn't concern me uh from what I know about it that's worth the risk site I'm all four sites in the city.
1:33:581 hour, 33 minutes, 58 seconds Yes.
1:33:581 hour, 33 minutes, 58 seconds But that's probably the worst one of the ones we've got choices from from a environmental from an environmental standpoint. I definitely agree.
1:34:071 hour, 34 minutes, 7 seconds That's another one that would have to acquire some more property around it. It's not meeting our 60 acres as well.
1:34:141 hour, 34 minutes, 14 seconds And obviously the flood away as you pointed somebody pointed earlier that's flood away. So Oh, it sounds great to talk about probably city own it's got
1:34:211 hour, 34 minutes, 21 seconds it's it's got some real issues unfortunately that that uh but but it it serves a use in this
1:34:291 hour, 34 minutes, 29 seconds conversation, right? It might not be the best spot to put the treatment on, but it might be the best negotiating tool to move a facility if we need to move a
1:34:381 hour, 34 minutes, 38 seconds facility. So, I mean, it's land owned by the city. It's a hard corner. Great views, great access, but might not be
1:34:461 hour, 34 minutes, 46 seconds the right one, but it could be used for negotiation. Yeah.
1:34:501 hour, 34 minutes, 50 seconds The fact is to the city have a purpose in buying it, too. It's a great site.
1:34:551 hour, 34 minutes, 55 seconds Yeah. Right. For other public purpose as well, too. So, there you go. So, I'm just saying everybody needs to buy and do their own and matrix, etc. Right in,
1:35:031 hour, 35 minutes, 3 seconds but I want to assure you that site probably most unknown site we're looking at. Is that fair to say, Regina? This site is most unknown is the site we're looking at for what's below the surface.
1:35:151 hour, 35 minutes, 15 seconds Okay, now we're ready to go to site 16 which is a cracker barrel site.
1:35:241 hour, 35 minutes, 24 seconds Yeah, it's home run. Comments, discussions. It's contiguous to the existing system.
1:35:281 hour, 35 minutes, 28 seconds It's got area to expand. You got a corporate headquarters that's been there long time. probably wants to get away from a sewer treatment facility and
1:35:371 hour, 35 minutes, 37 seconds probably wants a nice tall glass building sitting next to the interstate and the community would love to have that shining as a front door entrance to the city.
1:35:541 hour, 35 minutes, 54 seconds We don't think we don't think they moved to Brentwood.
1:36:011 hour, 36 minutes, 1 secondjust asking because that a few years ago.
1:36:031 hour, 36 minutes, 3 seconds I know. And that worries me because all the folks that live here and work there all of a sudden would be and I'm just saying that's but it's
1:36:121 hour, 36 minutes, 12 seconds but it's a good it's a good uh it's a viable site. I I'm not saying that and it's in the city again. So
1:36:201 hour, 36 minutes, 20 seconds probably most expensive probably the most most uh yeah just I understand what you're saying. Yeah.
1:36:271 hour, 36 minutes, 27 seconds Again those as getting a little deeper it's probably also most expensive site too.
1:36:321 hour, 36 minutes, 32 seconds Yes it is. But you look at it singularly but if you look at it in a combination effort you know the return that you could get
1:36:411 hour, 36 minutes, 41 seconds from it I think would outweigh that but you don't my opinion you don't have 60 usable acres on it.
1:36:481 hour, 36 minutes, 48 seconds Absolutely not.
1:36:501 hour, 36 minutes, 50 seconds I mean half of it's in the flood plane or a floodway which you can't touch that.
1:36:551 hour, 36 minutes, 55 seconds But you're expanding the existing system versus creating a new system.
1:37:021 hour, 37 minutes, 2 seconds Question. Steve, do you want can you address that if you had that at site is what Kada mentioned? Is that really a possibility? Is that a reasonable
1:37:091 hour, 37 minutes, 9 seconds expectation or what what do you see yet if you had that site? I hear your point. Yeah.
1:37:141 hour, 37 minutes, 14 seconds You you you mean by expanding versus building something new?
1:37:191 hour, 37 minutes, 19 seconds How would you utilize existing site if if you had that property right there?
1:37:231 hour, 37 minutes, 23 seconds So cracker there's moved the whole page there's very little opportunity to to
1:37:321 hour, 37 minutes, 32 seconds utilize the existing site with the technologies that we're looking at for the new treatment plant. Um all of the
1:37:391 hour, 37 minutes, 39 seconds clarifiers are too small to be reutilized for anything. Uh we could reutilize some of the odor control
1:37:461 hour, 37 minutes, 46 seconds facilities for a portion uh of the odor control potentially uh maybe off of the
1:37:521 hour, 37 minutes, 52 seconds new headworks. Uh you know, and you don't really have the ability to even though it is adjacent to the existing
1:38:011 hour, 38 minutes, 1 seconds ite because the existing site has to stay fully operational throughout construction until we're ready to move flow over. It's it's not you can't go in
1:38:101 hour, 38 minutes, 10 seconds and be building anything on the existing site. So we we literally have to to go onto that site, build all of the new
1:38:181 hour, 38 minutes, 18 seconds equipment and then be ready to move the flow over. Uh so it's not so much that there is any ability today to make a
1:38:261 hour, 38 minutes, 26 seconds significant difference. Uh it does give you some ability perhaps in the future when you look at expanding again to do
1:38:341 hour, 38 minutes, 34 seconds something with that site. um you know at that time but you know even though it
1:38:411 hour, 38 minutes, 41 seconds does open up that property um the hydraulic profile is going to limit you on what you can do if you're
1:38:481 hour, 38 minutes, 48 seconds want to flow by gravity. So from that perspective, I don't personally see any distinct advantage to that site versus
1:38:571 hour, 38 minutes, 57 seconds the site that's listed as 13A uh or for that matter even the site number 14 because we have to treat it
1:39:051 hour, 39 minutes, 5 seconds the same way uh in the from the design concept because we've got to move all this flow into these new processes,
1:39:131 hour, 39 minutes, 13 seconds treat everything and then return it back. So, good to know.
1:39:231 hour, 39 minutes, 23 seconds Any comments on site 16?
1:39:311 hour, 39 minutes, 31 seconds We're in this area. I I just have one comment. Um, you know, my whole life I knew where the sewer treatment plant
1:39:391 hour, 39 minutes, 39 seconds was. My kids know where it is. It's no question. And there's a proximity area that is around this location that
1:39:481 hour, 39 minutes, 48 seconds everybody in this room, everybody watching online knows where the sewer treatment plant is. If there's some
1:39:551 hour, 39 minutes, 55 seconds other sites in this proximity in this vicinity of what we would call the smell distance of that we know when we moved
1:40:051 hour, 40 minutes, 5 seconds here, we drove by here. We swam in the pool across the water here. We played golf across the creek here. We know
1:40:131 hour, 40 minutes, 13 seconds we're in that vicinity. If there are other sites that pop up in this process in that vicinity, I think they all
1:40:201 hour, 40 minutes, 20 seconds deserve looking at further. And that's just a general statement because I don't believe we need to just add sites right
1:40:281 hour, 40 minutes, 28 seconds now. I think we need to narrow it down a little bit. But in this proximity area, I do believe there are some other sites
1:40:361 hour, 40 minutes, 36 seconds that might be in consideration that we look at further as we go down this. So
1:40:441 hour, 40 minutes, 44 seconds there might be if we get down to six rate site, you know, is there something else out there similar or not? Because you're right, we don't want to keep adding, but if there's something that does work, we need to consider it.
1:40:531 hour, 40 minutes, 53 seconds Yes, it is.
1:40:561 hour, 40 minutes, 56 seconds Yeah. Okay. We are I guess reference site 17 which is one down
1:41:061 hour, 41 minutes, 6 seconds the city's current water sewer facilities are we added that one certainly it's going to rate real low on
1:41:151 hour, 41 minutes, 15 seconds the neighbors and it is really crunched in there there is just
1:41:241 hour, 41 minutes, 24 seconds went all hard to work with that but it is on a list so any question about that site. Everybody know where we are?
1:41:301 hour, 41 minutes, 30 seconds Y tiny. Okay.
1:41:431 hour, 41 minutes, 43 seconds Road looks like tightening some of the flood plane there.
1:41:491 hour, 41 minutes, 49 seconds That was site that got added at some point, I believe. Did it not get added at some point in our conversation?
1:41:551 hour, 41 minutes, 55 seconds Um, I think this site's very similar to the flood plan conversation we've been having on other sites.
1:42:021 hour, 42 minutes, 2 seconds There's a way to work work through it if you want to. Um, got probably have it's probably has
1:42:101 hour, 42 minutes, 10 seconds pretty tough access, too. I mean, Tri Road is not the best access route either.
1:42:161 hour, 42 minutes, 16 seconds There's not a good way to get there except that direction. But I mean it's obviously technically on the the drawing
1:42:231 hour, 42 minutes, 23 seconds here it didn't even fit in on the site but did get we got asked about it we identified it and then I think you'd rank it rank it as you see appropriate.
1:42:331 hour, 42 minutes, 33 seconds Anything else on 18?
1:42:361 hour, 42 minutes, 36 seconds Just general question, Steve. If you're to do the first 20 million gallons on one part of this site and then the second 20 million gallons on the other
1:42:431 hour, 42 minutes, 43 seconds part, is that even viable for as you think about that expansion?
1:42:521 hour, 42 minutes, 52 seconds It's sort of broken into like two areas here of development potentially.
1:42:561 hour, 42 minutes, 56 seconds It is. Uh what I'd say about site 18 is you know looking at it you know you would definitely have to go to one of
1:43:041 hour, 43 minutes, 4 seconds the uh smaller footprint treatment options. Um and then in regards to you know having you know uh operations on
1:43:121 hour, 43 minutes, 12 seconds both sides I mean there are some things that we have to you know pull operations together for. So that's the head works
1:43:191 hour, 43 minutes, 19 seconds and then the affluent. U it's going to be you know not to say that you can't do it. Uh you can um you know thinking
1:43:271 hour, 43 minutes, 27 seconds about you know if I was an operator and I had you know a 60 70 acre site that was split like that and running from one
1:43:341 hour, 43 minutes, 34 seconds side to the to the other uh you know it probably wouldn't make my day any easier. Um and I think you know we'll
1:43:421 hour, 43 minutes, 42 seconds end up with some additional pumps and stuff. So it'll have a little higher uh operating cost, long-term maintenance cost because of that. Uh and then just
1:43:501 hour, 43 minutes, 50 seconds trying to avoid the uh flood way. I mean, there's a lot of floodway on that uh eastern property. So, you know,
1:43:581 hour, 43 minutes, 58 seconds you're probably honestly looking at having to try to put operations um you know, headwork, some things on that side
1:44:061 hour, 44 minutes, 6 seconds and then move, you know, your flow over um to the western side of the property for your uh for the rest of your treatment train.
1:44:151 hour, 44 minutes, 15 seconds So, um, you know, we just have to to work with that site, um, if it's shortlisted and and see how we can fit
1:44:231 hour, 44 minutes, 23 seconds it in there and, you know, what process options, um, you know, work on that site.
1:44:291 hour, 44 minutes, 29 seconds Well, and do we need site eight to go with that?
1:44:381 hour, 44 minutes, 38 seconds Faker. So, if you look at site eight, it's it would not it would not it would not They're touching. Okay.
1:44:471 hour, 44 minutes, 47 seconds Is it identified? It's just a tough site. Like it's just a tough site.
1:44:521 hour, 44 minutes, 52 seconds I think even if you split it, it'd be hard to to get anything on that east end there because you'd be right up in those backyards there. There just wouldn't be
1:45:001 hour, 45 minutesany room for buffer or any kind of any kind of screening with trees or anything.
1:45:151 hour, 45 minutes, 15 seconds Edwards just site came up. It's that real tight corner there.
1:45:221 hour, 45 minutes, 22 seconds They're going across the road there. So, not sure really needs, but everybody can rank it if they want to rank it, I
1:45:291 hour, 45 minutes, 29 seconds guess. Any comments about sign 19? Not trying to rush us, but I don't see a lot good on site 19
1:45:391 hour, 45 minutes, 39 seconds was a core property that came up from the Rizzle study back in the 70s or whatever.
1:45:481 hour, 45 minutes, 48 seconds It came up here at one of our Bian here that I think Commissioner Far has take a look at that one too. We did look at that one. It's just has lot of photo
1:45:561 hour, 45 minutes, 56 seconds plane too and just the bureaucracy of trying to get that worked out could be very difficult. I would say but it has been looked at and there's some cost
1:46:041 hour, 46 minutes, 4 seconds there certainly close to the effluent line etc. But this is very tough.
1:46:101 hour, 46 minutes, 10 seconds Yeah, it's it's just about as far as you can go just because of that soul sites one and two there as you see. So we know access
1:46:191 hour, 46 minutes, 19 seconds is just just a ways away. Any comments on on the core frack though site 20
1:46:271 hour, 46 minutes, 27 seconds say Steve you brought up that's rented by TWWR owned by the core. I watched them try to build a boat ramp across from my
1:46:361 hour, 46 minutes, 36 seconds house that took like eight eight years plus to get that coordination figured out. So I can only imagine what this would look like.
1:46:511 hour, 46 minutes, 51 seconds Okay, that's our that's our u 20 sites in the book at the lead any site. You have the We have the 21. It's a landfill site.
1:47:011 hour, 47 minutes, 1 secondLandfield landfield property landfield's own property. I believe it's
1:47:071 hour, 47 minutes, 7 seconds permitted for landfield. So to evaluate.
1:47:151 hour, 47 minutes, 15 seconds Now Caleb, you had mentioned something about um other sites we should look at around um the area that it's already in.
1:47:211 hour, 47 minutes, 21 seconds Is that something you want to I mean not I just want that statement to be out there, you know, as we dig into other those sites and that proximity if
1:47:301 hour, 47 minutes, 30 seconds there's something that makes sense in that vicinity.
1:47:371 hour, 47 minutes, 37 seconds So I think we're all hoping that a couple sites look at night like this 13 13A could work out. A lot of people be happy if that would work out. So but again we need to have some alternative sites too. So I guess we're charged now.
1:47:481 hour, 47 minutes, 48 seconds We'll move right on to the Caroline comments. We're charged I think to come back now take this this information home with you do your rankings actually we
1:47:561 hour, 47 minutes, 56 seconds can make sure everybody gets electronic version where you can do it and just print it out right so we need to add we'll need to add 21 to this brand add
1:48:041 hour, 48 minutes, 4 seconds site 21 what else do I missing we're going to 13 is 13A that's one site so site 13 is 13 13A and
1:48:131 hour, 48 minutes, 13 seconds add catch site in the corner in the alley cass we'll make sure We got their maps come back out too. That way you'll see that
1:48:211 hour, 48 minutes, 21 seconds it's one site. We fix that one map like this.
1:48:291 hour, 48 minutes, 29 seconds So we we revise this matrix. We'll add site 21. It's 13. It's 13A.
1:48:371 hour, 48 minutes, 37 seconds Uh you'll get that electronically from Brand. I guess it come from Brandy or come from Eugene. Who's going to send it out? Who will send that out? Matrix out
1:48:461 hour, 48 minutes, 46 seconds from them again. So there'll be a matrix, your score is these are be done, you know, enclosed in your packet, you
1:48:541 hour, 48 minutes, 54 seconds seal it. We'll talk about when they can come back to us. I'd love to get them a few days ahead of our next meeting.
1:48:591 hour, 48 minutes, 59 seconds We'll decide in a few minutes, too, where they can be calculated and reviewed or whatever, not just come here to figure all that out. I'd like to have that done. So, we look at that date, but
1:49:081 hour, 49 minutes, 8 seconds um I have the comments now. We're ready to go. Any quick any other quick committee comments before we go into talking about
1:49:151 hour, 49 minutes, 15 seconds the next meeting and then some public comments? Any other committee comments right now?
1:49:211 hour, 49 minutes, 21 seconds I just want to say just want to say to the crowd, I hope I know this has taken a while tonight, but I hope y'all have a better feeling about how we feel about
1:49:281 hour, 49 minutes, 28 seconds it than you did when you came in tonight. And just
1:49:351 hour, 49 minutes, 35 seconds I I hate to say trust us and see what happens because I think this is going to be I think this is going to be uh this is going to be okay.
1:49:441 hour, 49 minutes, 44 seconds But y'all do but you've got your time so go for it.
1:49:501 hour, 49 minutes, 50 seconds I told folks man is a look it's process and we all like to say like we'd like to lack about five or six sites now. We
1:49:581 hour, 49 minutes, 58 seconds could probably sit here or not and probably get down within agreement to five or six sites probably. But let's go through the process, get identified and we'll we'll pick it up from there or
1:50:061 hour, 50 minutes, 6 seconds two. So that being said, no other committee comments. Let's talk about our next meeting date. And I think we tend to set a date. Somebody help me out. Was
1:50:141 hour, 50 minutes, 14 seconds it was it two weeks from tonight or two weeks from tomorrow night?
1:50:171 hour, 50 minutes, 17 seconds Um in my calendar that came from Andy June 30 at 4 or June 29 at 4.
1:50:251 hour, 50 minutes, 25 seconds 29th. That's two weeks from tonight. Yep.
1:50:291 hour, 50 minutes, 29 seconds that date with idea. We'll we'll send out something about asking you to get your matrix filled out and closed in this piece in this little envelope here.
1:50:371 hour, 50 minutes, 37 seconds We'll decide where you can submit it to hopefully in advance because it really needs to be done in advance to give us time opportunity to look into it and calculate scores. Go ahead. Anonymously.
1:50:451 hour, 50 minutes, 45 seconds Anonymously. That's right.
1:50:471 hour, 50 minutes, 47 seconds This at the end of the day, folks, this is a committee assist. It's not individual season. So we're going to score things independently but decision
1:50:551 hour, 50 minutes, 55 seconds is going to be from the group itself right so again like we said before this is not the final say so this helps us eliminate a whole bunch of sites we hope
1:51:031 hour, 51 minutes, 3 seconds and uh so we'll talk about where to get those send email where to turn those in with it be Virginia's office or Brandon's office somewhere get them turned in I'm hope we're going to meet
1:51:111 hour, 51 minutes, 11 seconds on Monday we I'll try to get them turned in by that Thursday maybe yeah I'd like us to leave here today
1:51:181 hour, 51 minutes, 18 seconds with a consensus of where and when they're going to get turned And that way when we come back on the 29th or 30th
1:51:261 hour, 51 minutes, 26 seconds that we have the scores already and they're tabulated because our plan is is to give them to the accounting department. See if they'll handle the tabulation.
1:51:341 hour, 51 minutes, 34 seconds Tabulation.
1:51:361 hour, 51 minutes, 36 seconds So y'all good with the end of the work day on on Wednesday. What was that date then? The next day just pick a date here.
1:51:431 hour, 51 minutes, 43 seconds Week are you talking about this week before? 24th. 24th. just a Wednesday.
1:51:491 hour, 51 minutes, 49 seconds When we get the new When will we get the new matrix?
1:51:511 hour, 51 minutes, 51 seconds Can we have that out tomorrow? The new matrix revised entry. Yes, we can definitely do that.
1:51:561 hour, 51 minutes, 56 seconds Okay. So, have them I'm thinking we just need determin lane.
1:52:011 hour, 52 minutes, 1 secondYeah, they can drop them off, mail them either way so long as we've got them by Wednesday. That gives accounting enough time to
1:52:091 hour, 52 minutes, 9 seconds tabulate the account. Okay, let's say Wednesday and 24th submitted to 200 2009
1:52:171 hour, 52 minutes, 17 seconds cast lights 200 Carval Lane and let me ask this once that that number is given will we start eliminating at the next meeting? Absolutely.
1:52:241 hour, 52 minutes, 24 seconds That's the plan.
1:52:261 hour, 52 minutes, 26 seconds Everybody, as Randy said, you can kind of see where some of us are leaning. Um I hope it gives some some reassurance to y'all because I know a lot of y'all out
1:52:341 hour, 52 minutes, 34 seconds there and um was raised with some of y'all and I couldn't imagine what y'all are going through right now. And I I want to get this to a closure for you, but I want to make sure the process is done as clearly as possible.
1:52:451 hour, 52 minutes, 45 seconds Amen.
1:52:461 hour, 52 minutes, 46 seconds Okay, we're for public comments and then we got about three minutes, please, each of you. So, we'll get started.
1:52:531 hour, 52 minutes, 53 seconds 3.0 3.0 Derek Dodson. Just in case any of y'all need to know this, off Alahham
1:52:591 hour, 52 minutes, 59 seconds Drive is Madrid Drive, which is the only way to get into the 44
1:53:061 hour, 53 minutes, 6 seconds acre site that is 409 Carver Lane, which is adjacent to the 56 58ish acres of the Rockwood site.
1:53:181 hour, 53 minutes, 18 seconds When you are in the 44 acre site, then there's no doubt in your mind that the
1:53:271 hour, 53 minutes, 27 seconds next sewer plant is going on that site, the backside of the Rockwood site. And
1:53:351 hour, 53 minutes, 35 seconds you can see much parkland buffer space whereby a future sewer plant could not
1:53:421 hour, 53 minutes, 42 seconds be seen and the sewer plant really close to nothing.
1:53:471 hour, 53 minutes, 47 seconds Obviously in due course the city would have a future land sale contract with three other adjacent property owners
1:53:561 hour, 53 minutes, 56 seconds whereby that total acreage is approximately 32 more acres. The finished product
1:54:031 hour, 54 minutes, 3 seconds five track total being approximately 134 acres of land banked by the city for
1:54:111 hour, 54 minutes, 11 seconds future needs. This is a 500,000 year decision. And in the next 500,000
1:54:181 hour, 54 minutes, 18 seconds plus years, this city is going to need land for who knows what. So maybe it would stay park land as buffer space all
1:54:261 hour, 54 minutes, 26 seconds around a sewer plant there. But if the city needed more land, then there's some land because in the next 10 years, there
1:54:341 hour, 54 minutes, 34 seconds ain't going to be none. And the city will be in the same pickle in the future. So there's 136 approximately acres that can be picked up right there.
1:54:451 hour, 54 minutes, 45 seconds I think we all are against imminent domain in this. It's absolutely necessary and I don't think it would be necessary in this case. But if it was
1:54:541 hour, 54 minutes, 54 seconds with regard to the 44 acres owned by the company in New York with the bankrupted 44 acre property, then I would exercise
1:55:021 hour, 55 minutes, 2 seconds imminent domain on that property in a New York minute. Back to the Alley Cassie property, the 8 acres there, the
1:55:101 hour, 55 minutes, 10 seconds total of 36 that I mentioned with the other two properties that those three properties can be picked up in, as I said, in due course.
1:55:181 hour, 55 minutes, 18 seconds And Jeff, I did share the contact information for the owners of that property that out of New York. So, you're send it to your cell phone.
1:55:271 hour, 55 minutes, 27 seconds Working on that.
1:55:281 hour, 55 minutes, 28 seconds Uh I'm basically finished, but I would advise you to go visit that property if you haven't already. And once you're on it, you know there's going to be a sewer plant there.
1:55:461 hour, 55 minutes, 46 seconds I appreciate the opportunity to speak.
1:55:481 hour, 55 minutes, 48 seconds I'm Curry Dudley. I live on the Dudley family farms on Cold Pike. I'm representing myself, my family, uh but
1:55:551 hour, 55 minutes, 55 seconds especially my almost 95year-old mother who's lived there all of her life. Uh, I've been on the property living there
1:56:041 hour, 56 minutes, 4 seconds for 41 years raised there. Um, if you put it on the property that they had number six, it would completely, you
1:56:131 hour, 56 minutes, 13 seconds know, destroy um, our farm. And I just would like to like to off ask you to to look at some
1:56:211 hour, 56 minutes, 21 seconds other options and I appreciate the opportunity to speak. I would like to have been here last time, but we were out of town. But this is very important. Thank you.
1:56:291 hour, 56 minutes, 29 seconds Thank you. Thank you.
1:56:341 hour, 56 minutes, 34 seconds Hi, I'm Brenda Vicente, uh, Berea Church Road.
1:56:391 hour, 56 minutes, 39 seconds Um, I'd like to talk about eliminating sites three, four, five, and six as a group because they do sit within one
1:56:461 hour, 56 minutes, 46 seconds mile of Friendship Christian School. I know some of you said that might not be an issue for you, but these are four rule sites that sit within one mile.
1:56:561 hour, 56 minutes, 56 seconds They're federally recognized as a sensitive receptor. The city is placing itself at risk with title six civil rights complaints, environmental justice
1:57:051 hour, 57 minutes, 5 seconds challenges, and funding delays if federal dollars are involved. The EPA's school sighting guidelines warn
1:57:121 hour, 57 minutes, 12 seconds municipal municipalities to avoid placing heavy industrial utilities near schools, and ignoring that guideline can
1:57:201 hour, 57 minutes, 20 seconds trigger federal review. These are not abstract concerns. There are real documented legal vulnerabilities that could delay this project for years and
1:57:281 hour, 57 minutes, 28 seconds cost taxpayers a lot of money. Proximity to a school does not automatically disqualify or cancel the federal grants.
1:57:371 hour, 57 minutes, 37 seconds It just severely threatens the project by certain reviews.
1:57:431 hour, 57 minutes, 43 seconds Sites three, four, five, and six are clustered right along Berea Church and Cooh's Fairy Pike.
1:57:501 hour, 57 minutes, 50 seconds So that Christian friendship Christian school, it has triggered a lot of alarms from the committee here because it does
1:57:581 hour, 57 minutes, 58 seconds impact the community. I don't know if you've ever driven down Berea Church and Cooh's Fairy Pike during school hours,
1:58:071 hour, 58 minutes, 7 seconds but it's pretty rough to get out of in and out of Berea Church because it does face directly into the school there. So,
1:58:151 hour, 58 minutes, 15 seconds I can't imagine dump trucks and those kind of things trying to get in and out of there uh with that school sitting there.
1:58:241 hour, 58 minutes, 24 seconds So, these properties when you do grade them, I just want to be sure that it is understood that they are the one mile um
1:58:321 hour, 58 minutes, 32 seconds inside that one mile to that campus. So when scoring them,
1:58:391 hour, 58 minutes, 39 seconds um, the lowest possible score of one out of five for land use compatibility and community impact. So if that gets a one,
1:58:491 hour, 58 minutes, 49 seconds even if they get the high scores on everything else, I don't see how they could be in your top 10, five, six, whatever that is.
1:58:591 hour, 58 minutes, 59 seconds So, the student population, the daily traffic, the school buses, the odor drift, all of that. I just don't see how
1:59:061 hour, 59 minutes, 6 seconds it could make those those four sites could could be in your talk. One of the other things that I would like to say is
1:59:141 hour, 59 minutes, 14 seconds I know y'all were discussing earlier about not not understanding the cost or knowing the cost yet at this point uh
1:59:231 hour, 59 minutes, 23 seconds for the footprint of the better technology. It seems like to me you should know the cost difference of putting the best technology on the
1:59:311 hour, 59 minutes, 31 seconds smaller sites. So for example, when you're talking 13A or even the TRW plant, if you took 20 acres of that and
1:59:391 hour, 59 minutes, 39 seconds put the best technology there, it would fit. Wind up. You could try to wind up. Thank you.
1:59:491 hour, 59 minutes, 49 seconds Good evening. My name is Lesley Gunther and my husband Jeff and I live at 450 North Denny Road out on the lake. We are
1:59:571 hour, 59 minutes, 57 seconds directly next to the core and WMA property which we hold absolutely dear.
2:00:042 hours, 4 seconds I'm here to oppose the consideration of a build of building a sewer plant not just on core property but anywhere in the county that sits outside of the
2:00:132 hours, 13 seconds urban growth boundary. Like all of the other residents of Pawsum Town, we live in a rural area of Lebanon.
2:00:202 hours, 20 seconds Excuse me. We live in a rural area of Lebanon for a reason. And we enjoy our country lifestyles. When Jeff and I moved to Tennessee four years ago, we
2:00:292 hours, 29 seconds had narrowed down possible communities from 12 down to four. Lebanon being at the top of the list when the Lord led us
2:00:372 hours, 37 seconds to an absolute blessing of a property out in the country. This was the culmination of our obedience and the fulfillment of a lifelong dream. When we
2:00:452 hours, 45 seconds came here, so many folks asked why Lebanon and our answer has and always will be why not Lebanon.
2:00:552 hours, 55 seconds We absolutely love this town.
2:00:582 hours, 58 seconds And now, excuse me, we love this the people of and our lifestyle here. We love this town. And now the city of Lebanon, which
2:01:072 hours, 1 minute, 7 seconds we are not governed by, wants to tread on that ideal and the dream, not just for us, but for our neighbors and our immediate community. We feel we have
2:01:152 hours, 1 minute, 15 seconds been entrusted to steward the acreage that we have and to preserve the land around us for our future generations. A
2:01:222 hours, 1 minute, 22 seconds friend of ours is a farmer and a cattle rancher and a wine maker back in California. And he has a family creed.
2:01:282 hours, 1 minute, 28 seconds We live to honor those that come before us, to prepare the way for those yet to come. Those of us in Pawsum Town all
2:01:362 hours, 1 minute, 36 seconds feel we are working to honor those that have left us something beautiful so that we may all continue to steward what is ours and create a legacy for our
2:01:452 hours, 1 minute, 45 seconds children and their children. I just pray the city of Lebanon doesn't take that honor and legacy from any one of us in
2:01:522 hours, 1 minute, 52 seconds the county. So now my question is why not in Lebanon? That's where this plant belongs. And I implore all of you to help us keep our leg legacies protected.
2:02:112 hours, 2 minutes, 11 seconds Hi, my name is Todd Wart, uh 2427 Man Road. I've been up here before and uh I
2:02:182 hours, 2 minutes, 18 seconds had a lot to say today, but I uh I really liked what I heard today. I appreciate that. and it might be one of those times when you should just take
2:02:262 hours, 2 minutes, 26 seconds the win. So, I'm going to pass on what most of what I had planned to say, but I do have some documents uh that I need to
2:02:352 hours, 2 minutes, 35 seconds submit and it's information that started back in May on May 27th. This is revision C which keeps getting thicker.
2:02:442 hours, 2 minutes, 44 seconds There's a lot of research in here. I hope it's helpful. Uh I also have additional um endorsements of the
2:02:522 hours, 2 minutes, 52 seconds petition from our side which is of course the north end one through seven sites.
2:02:582 hours, 2 minutes, 58 seconds Have a dissertation here on the matrix scoring and that was started with Anthony Murphy back there that I think
2:03:062 hours, 3 minutes, 6 seconds got something going that that's important to uh think about. And also I've submitted through the website and
2:03:132 hours, 3 minutes, 13 seconds here again formal requests for disclosure on 35 different uh items.
2:03:202 hours, 3 minutes, 20 seconds Um I know I created some work for somebody uh somewhere and uh anyway so I just need to get this on record and thanks again.
2:03:292 hours, 3 minutes, 29 seconds Thank you. Really enjoyed it today.
2:03:382 hours, 3 minutes, 38 seconds I will reset that.
2:03:422 hours, 3 minutes, 42 seconds Uh Charles Smith, Leo Lane. Um I think the the biggest thing that I see here is is that this is a travesty that
2:03:512 hours, 3 minutes, 51 seconds we're having this discussion. Uh for those who don't know, land use plan is actually several thousand years old. The people who have always used it
2:03:592 hours, 3 minutes, 59 seconds previously have been called king, emperor, sha, etc. It was intentionally not brought to the United States as it comes from a monarchal design.
2:04:092 hours, 4 minutes, 9 seconds Um, and in 1926, the Supreme Court screwed every landowner in America. And what they did
2:04:172 hours, 4 minutes, 17 seconds was say that your land is only yours if we let it be yours. That's the long and short of it. And that was a Trojan
2:04:242 hours, 4 minutes, 24 seconds horse. That that was zoning. And that was a Trojan horse for land use plans. Um, and that was done in 1973.
2:04:352 hours, 4 minutes, 35 seconds I'm glad I heard what I heard today. I think some progress was made, but it's the difference between having a double compound fracture and a regular fracture. It still hurts. I speak from
2:04:432 hours, 4 minutes, 43 seconds experience with that. Um, the whole principle of of owning your
2:04:512 hours, 4 minutes, 51 seconds own land is you get to do what you want to do with it. And none of you get to tell you what I can do with my land.
2:04:572 hours, 4 minutes, 57 seconds That was one of the key principles in the founding of this country. The king could just come in and do whatever he wanted to do and you didn't have
2:05:042 hours, 5 minutes, 4 seconds anything to say about it. That is no let that is no different from what is happening today
2:05:122 hours, 5 minutes, 12 seconds work on that bis you guys not you okay but what was done was
2:05:192 hours, 5 minutes, 19 seconds premeditated we have grown this town since Bill took over by 44%.
2:05:252 hours, 5 minutes, 25 seconds He knew, and he said this in one of his little opening videos as he became mayor, that he had known 15 years earlier
2:05:332 hours, 5 minutes, 33 seconds that the plant was in trouble. That's where the premeditation comes in. That's ridiculous.
2:05:412 hours, 5 minutes, 41 seconds It's like an out of control child.
2:05:452 hours, 5 minutes, 45 seconds This is the population growth year by year since 1970.
2:05:502 hours, 5 minutes, 50 seconds Just in case anybody's doubting what I'm talking about, I do thank you for the effort you've made today, ladies and gentlemen. Don't get that wrong, but it
2:05:592 hours, 5 minutes, 59 seconds needs to stop. You need to start respecting folks own property.
2:06:032 hours, 6 minutes, 3 seconds Just because you're allowed to do something doesn't mean you should. Thank you.
2:06:082 hours, 6 minutes, 8 seconds Thank you, Joe Vicente, 1120 Berea Church Road. Uh
2:06:182 hours, 6 minutes, 18 seconds I too am encouraged by what we've heard today. I'm not quite at the trust level yet, but uh we're making progress. Um I
2:06:272 hours, 6 minutes, 27 seconds understand that everyone here is is working on the process and the diligence. And to that end, I would ask that you do the same with the TRW site.
2:06:382 hours, 6 minutes, 38 seconds I know there's a lot of conversation reli related to the environmental impacts there, but I also know just in
2:06:452 hours, 6 minutes, 45 seconds March that the city did acquire the other 10 acres there. So, Tekk has been
2:06:512 hours, 6 minutes, 51 seconds working at that facility since I think uh in the those are over 20 years. So,
2:07:002 hours, 7 minutesthey are well aware of what environmental impacts are there. The remediation they're in phase two now.
2:07:072 hours, 7 minutes, 7 seconds I encourage you to actually get the files and talk to the project manager to find out exactly what is going on there
2:07:142 hours, 7 minutes, 14 seconds from the environmental impacts. I know that the city itself has talked about putting a public works facility there.
2:07:212 hours, 7 minutes, 21 seconds This is shortterm. They want to talk about uh the garage. They actually just made comments in the last meeting when they when they acquired it how they feel
2:07:302 hours, 7 minutes, 30 seconds that the cafe with some remodeling can be used. those things seem to fly in the face of what might be considered by this
2:07:382 hours, 7 minutes, 38 seconds committee as a lot of environmental issues. So again, I think this is something where you can come to your own
2:07:462 hours, 7 minutes, 46 seconds conclusions by doing the diligence with Tekk and that's that's my point. Thank you. Indeed.
2:07:542 hours, 7 minutes, 54 seconds Hey guys, Toby Wood Payne. I'm on Berea Church. Um yeah, I feel a little bit better. A lot of you guys I really
2:08:032 hours, 8 minutes, 3 seconds appreciate, you know, speaking up and it almost sounded like humanity cuz I've been really concerned. I mean, I know this isn't like foot loose or
2:08:122 hours, 8 minutes, 12 seconds anything, but I have to tell you like the the fact that we spend all that exorbitant amount of time talking about
2:08:182 hours, 8 minutes, 18 seconds moving a business, like relocating a business, and that we spend zero time really with you guys discussing the fact
2:08:262 hours, 8 minutes, 26 seconds that these are like legacy farms. I mean, if someone's just like, can you imagine sitting at your dinner table and someone just comes in and is like, I'm
2:08:332 hours, 8 minutes, 33 seconds going to be taking your property. I mean, that seems so crazy to me. But I also just quickly wanted to say that um
2:08:422 hours, 8 minutes, 42 seconds uh the Murphy'sboro is roughly the same size corridor, experiencing the same growth pattern that Lebanon is heading toward. They faced this exact challenge
2:08:512 hours, 8 minutes, 51 seconds and rather than pushing the burden onto residential neighborhoods, they built a modern enclosed resource recovery facility uh an appropriate city land.
2:09:012 hours, 9 minutes, 1 secondThey the facility now wins national awards, produces reusable water, generates zero odor impact, and it's
2:09:082 hours, 9 minutes, 8 seconds literally a covered place, and they did it on the land that was already there.
2:09:132 hours, 9 minutes, 13 seconds So, I just get this feeling sometimes when I walk in here, like we're talking about old school technology, right? And I'm worried um
2:09:222 hours, 9 minutes, 22 seconds even if it stays, you know, where it should be, which is in the industrial part of Lebanon, that we need to be thinking some environmental upgrade
2:09:292 hours, 9 minutes, 29 seconds because I who's to say in 10 years like that Clean Air Act, you guys are going to be in the same position, right? So, I mean, we need to really look at you guys
2:09:382 hours, 9 minutes, 38 seconds are still using the, you know, stir the poo thing. It's crazy. I mean, all of these look at Murphy'sboro. Like, has
2:09:462 hours, 9 minutes, 46 seconds anyone talked to that engineer? You know, it's so nuts to me. So, yeah, I would definitely, you know, that's a concern to me. These guys covered a lot.
2:09:562 hours, 9 minutes, 56 seconds But, you know, I think that anything near Friendship Christian right there, if anybody has been on Berea Church
2:10:042 hours, 10 minutes, 4 seconds Road, like you were talking about, it's literally the size of these two tables put together. I have to pull over a lot
2:10:112 hours, 10 minutes, 11 seconds just for those Mac Daddy pickup trucks, right? And it really it worries me that people like we're going to rate this on
2:10:192 hours, 10 minutes, 19 seconds this little thing, you know, but I mean I want to make sure everybody really goes out and understands and talks to the people. And imagine that it's your
2:10:272 hours, 10 minutes, 27 seconds home, right? And your kids are out there playing football and you're playing daily doubles out there at practice and
2:10:342 hours, 10 minutes, 34 seconds you're inhaling that sewer smell. And that dude who said it doesn't smell that bad, I'm like, man, I drive by in a
2:10:412 hours, 10 minutes, 41 seconds convertible and pass that thing in the summer. It's nasty. You know, it needs to stay where it is or close by. Thanks, guys.
2:10:532 hours, 10 minutes, 53 seconds Again, I'll make it clear, this site, the technology is exactly the same in Mersboro. Is that not correct, Steve?
2:10:592 hours, 10 minutes, 59 seconds Uh, yes. The reference to Murphy'sboro, the layout that you all have seen pictures of is the same exact type of basin that is at Murphy'sboro.
2:11:082 hours, 11 minutes, 8 seconds Same technology, etc. Exactly. Just for clarity. Okay. Yes, ma'am.
2:11:132 hours, 11 minutes, 13 seconds Uh Teresa Rogers and I'm at 311 North Denny Road and I just want to thank you all for your bravery to be on this
2:11:202 hours, 11 minutes, 20 seconds committee. Um, I would like to publicly request that you do not score any of these properties until you have all the
2:11:282 hours, 11 minutes, 28 seconds information on all the sites that are available. Just today, members of this committee um have said that this is the largest investment the city of Lebanon has ever considered or possibly will.
2:11:402 hours, 11 minutes, 40 seconds This is true, which we all know it is.
2:11:422 hours, 11 minutes, 42 seconds It deserves the highest level of due diligence, transparency, and scrutiny before a final decision is made. The
2:11:492 hours, 11 minutes, 49 seconds city has known, as we've said already, over a decade, 15 years, that this wastewater capacity would become a challenge. So, we have to ask, why now?
2:11:582 hours, 11 minutes, 58 seconds Suddenly, are we being told that we must rush? Please don't rush. Rush to meet a September deadline. We're being told
2:12:062 hours, 12 minutes, 6 seconds that missing that deadline could cost us approximately $320,000.
2:12:112 hours, 12 minutes, 11 seconds I know that's not correct. Uh but it's really close and it's a very small significant amount um of what the
2:12:182 hours, 12 minutes, 18 seconds overall cost of this plant's going to be. The people of Lebanon deserve the respect of knowing that their homes,
2:12:262 hours, 12 minutes, 26 seconds their property, their quality of life, their future are worth more than a deadline that the city itself has known for years. Please give us that respect.
2:12:352 hours, 12 minutes, 35 seconds That is why many of us continue to ask for your transparency. We are being told that a traditional
2:12:432 hours, 12 minutes, 43 seconds activated sludge plant is the best option, that 60 acres is needed, and that an MBR plant is too expensive. Yet,
2:12:512 hours, 12 minutes, 51 seconds neither this committee nor the public has been shown a transparent comp comparison of these alternatives. We're
2:12:582 hours, 12 minutes, 58 seconds we're told to take it as word. What is the actual cost difference? What are the 20 and 30-year operating costs? What are
2:13:062 hours, 13 minutes, 6 seconds the land acquisition costs? What are the infrastructure costs? What are the future compliance costs for permits?
2:13:132 hours, 13 minutes, 13 seconds What are the costs permanently of committing 60 acres of our rural land?
2:13:182 hours, 13 minutes, 18 seconds What is the value of that cost? Why are we evaluate why are we evaluating alternative sizes if they must accommodate only this traditional 60
2:13:282 hours, 13 minutes, 28 seconds acre plant? If an MBR plant facility has significantly smaller footprint footprint, can be enclosed for odor, can
2:13:362 hours, 13 minutes, 36 seconds be expanded as the city grows, which we know we will, it can offer greater flexibility on how it's designed. Um,
2:13:432 hours, 13 minutes, 43 seconds shouldn't the public be shown that comparison before a decision is made? This is not about opposing growth.
2:13:492 hours, 13 minutes, 49 seconds Lebanon is growing. We know that. People love it here. That's why we're growing.
2:13:532 hours, 13 minutes, 53 seconds It's what makes it special. The love, the balance between progress and um, preservation must be met. the love that Lebanon still has, open spaces, rural
2:14:012 hours, 14 minutes, 1 secondcharacter, quality of life that many communities have lost. We can look around us. They've lost those. We're the only city left that has it. Before we
2:14:102 hours, 14 minutes, 10 seconds permanently transform and degrade 60 acres of land and commit taxpayers to the largest investment in our city's history, we owe it to the people to ask
2:14:182 hours, 14 minutes, 18 seconds one simple thing. Please show us the analysis. Show us the alternatives. Show us the numbers. Please show us.
2:14:262 hours, 14 minutes, 26 seconds Thank you. Thank you.
2:14:352 hours, 14 minutes, 35 seconds Hello, Terry Monahan, 511 Barton Shore Court. So, I was really happy to hear you talk about the different
2:14:432 hours, 14 minutes, 43 seconds technologies. Uh previous to that um I was I guess that that you were just
2:14:492 hours, 14 minutes, 49 seconds looking at the uh activated sludge uh footprint and I understand through your
2:14:562 hours, 14 minutes, 56 seconds meeting today what you're doing um but when when we talk about uh the future
2:15:042 hours, 15 minutes, 4 seconds and and what technologies are out there if you consider the um you know the um
2:15:142 hours, 15 minutes, 14 seconds membrane bio bofilm reactor technologies. There's the uh several of them, you know, the uh moving uh moving
2:15:242 hours, 15 minutes, 24 seconds bed, fixed bed, membrane, uh ariated and a hybrid. So, there's a lot of
2:15:322 hours, 15 minutes, 32 seconds technology out of out there. Um there's a lot that is being said online about uh
2:15:392 hours, 15 minutes, 39 seconds the future of that. And so I just I I want I wanted to say that
2:15:472 hours, 15 minutes, 47 seconds uh I'm sure you're aware that the present activated sludge process the city is using today emits greenhouse gases and nitrates that exceed any of
2:15:562 hours, 15 minutes, 56 seconds the membrane bofilm reactor technologies. And that evertightening environmental protection agency is going
2:16:042 hours, 16 minutes, 4 seconds to require wastewater treatment plants to comply with a stricter EPA level
2:16:102 hours, 16 minutes, 10 seconds levels of discharge in the future. Um so
2:16:162 hours, 16 minutes, 16 seconds I I guess um you know when you use that uh outdated
2:16:232 hours, 16 minutes, 23 seconds technology and I know some people use it but let's let's be realistic. It's it's
2:16:302 hours, 16 minutes, 30 seconds technology from a 100 years ago. That plant was built in uh 1960. I understand this plant that you're going to build
2:16:382 hours, 16 minutes, 38 seconds now is going to last another 50 years or so. Um, and if you look at the
2:16:462 hours, 16 minutes, 46 seconds um Jerry McFarland brought up the other day that the that there's some acreage
2:16:522 hours, 16 minutes, 52 seconds on the uh on the existing site and if you and maybe there isn't enough there and maybe you could go next door.
2:17:032 hours, 17 minutes, 3 seconds Um it you know that these this uh uh bio the um bofilm reactor
2:17:122 hours, 17 minutes, 12 seconds is something that's expandable. It also can be used to um incorporate into
2:17:192 hours, 17 minutes, 19 seconds what's existing. So um and and in the future there's a lot of promising
2:17:262 hours, 17 minutes, 26 seconds developments in materials for up upgrades to the membrane and I'm sure that that those advancements in the
2:17:332 hours, 17 minutes, 33 seconds membrane bofilm are likely to hold uh reductions in maintenance reducing operating costs and cleaner discharges.
2:17:422 hours, 17 minutes, 42 seconds So thank you. I'd like to just uh submit this paper and on page on the second
2:17:492 hours, 17 minutes, 49 seconds page of that it highlights that it's uh expandable and and able to be used on existing.
2:18:052 hours, 18 minutes, 5 seconds Hi uh Jeff Barnes 1413 Alhhamra. Uh we would be part of site 13A. Um, I had
2:18:132 hours, 18 minutes, 13 seconds structure to what I was going to say, but then I heard everyone talk today and it kind of threw me for a loop. Um, you know, someone mentioned humanity and,
2:18:222 hours, 18 minutes, 22 seconds um, the biggest thing that strikes me is there's been more discussion about moving existing businesses and how that
2:18:312 hours, 18 minutes, 31 seconds would survive and the logistics of that or how narrow roads are more so than what it does to the families of each of
2:18:392 hours, 18 minutes, 39 seconds these sites. Most of the sites mentioned, if I'm not wrong, um would be in proximity to homes, but I don't think
2:18:472 hours, 18 minutes, 47 seconds there's many sites that actually move families off of their land. Uh 13A kind
2:18:542 hours, 18 minutes, 54 seconds of is a double-edged sword because I think you can build without our tract, which then at that point the northern
2:19:022 hours, 19 minutes, 2 seconds and eastern border of our property would touch this new plant. or uh obviously we can move and you can have that piece of
2:19:102 hours, 19 minutes, 10 seconds land there. Um so really doesn't uh have a great outcome for what our family's looking at. Um they I'm married in to
2:19:202 hours, 19 minutes, 20 seconds this family. My wife, this is her childhood home. Uh they have been there since the late 80s. Uh I'd be surprised
2:19:272 hours, 19 minutes, 27 seconds if people haven't been there. Uh we've taught thousands of children to swim out of our uh pool there that's uh inside
2:19:352 hours, 19 minutes, 35 seconds the home. Uh so it's really had an impact on the community even well before the Jimmy Floyd uh family center was
2:19:412 hours, 19 minutes, 41 seconds here. I would like to tastefully deflect to other sites that don't have an impact on families. I think TRW I'm sure above
2:19:512 hours, 19 minutes, 51 seconds my knowledge of how that can come to fruition is a great choice. Um and and same the the other problem I had is when
2:20:002 hours, 20 minutestalking about Rockwood it seemed like the flood plane was easily overcome but every time you come up with a flood
2:20:082 hours, 20 minutes, 8 seconds plane for any other site for some reason it's a massive is issue. So I would like you to look at it through the same light
2:20:152 hours, 20 minutes, 15 seconds and to not push 13A as your uh top choice when this is supposed to be something that you each work through
2:20:222 hours, 20 minutes, 22 seconds from your own metric. I feel like you've pushed this site as your favorite uh rather than leaving it neutral. So, I
2:20:302 hours, 20 minutes, 30 seconds hope you would take the opportunity to find another site. Um, and I'll be back for the next meeting to talk again.
2:20:372 hours, 20 minutes, 37 seconds Thank you.
2:20:422 hours, 20 minutes, 42 seconds Rand Wilson County Mayor. Um, I'm here on behalf of the citizens that live in the unincorporated area to start with.
2:20:502 hours, 20 minutes, 50 seconds Um, I thank you for serving on this committee. Uh, it is not an easy choice.
2:20:552 hours, 20 minutes, 55 seconds There's not a good choice probably uh to make for uh many people, but for the people that uh live in the county uh
2:21:032 hours, 21 minutes, 3 seconds that have reached out to me that bought a home uh expected to be outside the city and to live in an environment where
2:21:102 hours, 21 minutes, 10 seconds they could have uh peace and quiet. Uh this is their dream home. Uh for me today is just simply to represent those
2:21:192 hours, 21 minutes, 19 seconds people uh that go home every night right now uh with their guts churning because they don't want to wake up next door to
2:21:272 hours, 21 minutes, 27 seconds what Caleb said earlier. Uh you never forget what that place is. Uh no matter how you disguise it, uh that's an issue.
2:21:372 hours, 21 minutes, 37 seconds And so I'm here to represent those people, but I also represent the people that live inside the city. And I was reminded this morning by uh a person
2:21:452 hours, 21 minutes, 45 seconds that called me that said uh you know you represent the people that live inside the city limits and I do and I realize that we have schools that use your
2:21:542 hours, 21 minutes, 54 seconds sewer. We have jails that use your sewer. We have a court system that uses your sewer. Uh and so it is important
2:22:022 hours, 22 minutes, 2 seconds and the decision that you got today is not a want. Uh it is a need. So I don't know about the cost uh of it mattering either way because it's something that
2:22:102 hours, 22 minutes, 10 seconds you got to have. Um, we'll address a resolution tonight at the county commission to ask you to keep it inside
2:22:172 hours, 22 minutes, 17 seconds the city limits. That is not to cause division because we try to work well together. We want to continue to do that. What I've heard tonight from
2:22:262 hours, 22 minutes, 26 seconds several members here uh on this committee is to concentrate on what would be inside the city limits uh and
2:22:332 hours, 22 minutes, 33 seconds to cut these people loose uh and let them to go home and sleep at night and then concentrate on facilities that
2:22:402 hours, 22 minutes, 40 seconds supposedly many have been mentioned today inside your zone. So um I do not envy your job whatsoever. Uh, and I
2:22:492 hours, 22 minutes, 49 seconds appreciate your work in this. Uh, and uh, thank you for letting me speak tonight.
2:23:042 hours, 23 minutes, 4 seconds Hey, I'm Kenny Salis, uh, 1016 Bria Church Road. um what coach Otto just said about about everyone's gut turning and and all that.
2:23:162 hours, 23 minutes, 16 seconds It it could seem silly and sometimes in these meetings I see people laughing and joking ahead of time and we're terrified.
2:23:262 hours, 23 minutes, 26 seconds Everything that we've worked our whole lives for is is so close and it and it's and it's it's y'all's decision. And I
2:23:352 hours, 23 minutes, 35 seconds know it's not. And we've heard that so many times that our job is to trim this list down and give them something to choose from. If you give them something
2:23:432 hours, 23 minutes, 43 seconds that's in the county, that's yours. You gave them that. That was an option that you put in front of them. I wasn't I
2:23:522 hours, 23 minutes, 52 seconds wasn't going to say anything today. Um I was going to wait until the list gets gets narrowed down a little bit. Um but I wanted to say thank you.
2:24:022 hours, 24 minutes, 2 seconds There's obviously three of you who are on our side so much. We all notice that.
2:24:072 hours, 24 minutes, 7 seconds Not that the rest of you aren't. I don't know. But three of you, it's very clear. And thank y'all.
2:24:142 hours, 24 minutes, 14 seconds People are talking about the size and specifics and facts about sewer plants and all this stuff. And the human
2:24:212 hours, 24 minutes, 21 seconds decency and the common sense is so easy here.
2:24:282 hours, 24 minutes, 28 seconds all the signs that are going up the no the no sewer factory signs sewer plant signs yesterday we pull out
2:24:362 hours, 24 minutes, 36 seconds of our driveway and u I had my three kids in the back seat 4 six and seven and they asked me what it was for the
2:24:442 hours, 24 minutes, 44 seconds first time and you know I told them so they call it the poop factory right I mean you know it's what it is right so I
2:24:522 hours, 24 minutes, 52 seconds have to tell them that they want to put it on on Mr. Bruce's Hill right here.
2:24:572 hours, 24 minutes, 57 seconds And guys, I have to drive around with three crying kids because they can't figure out. I'm going tell you the questions they asked.
2:25:072 hours, 25 minutes, 7 seconds Same questions that that make sense to all of us. They said, "Daddy, we love Lebanon. Why would they Why would they
2:25:142 hours, 25 minutes, 14 seconds do that?" Baby, I don't know. I don't I didn't think they would. I heard about this a year ago. I said, "That'll never happen.
2:25:242 hours, 25 minutes, 24 seconds Here we are. So, where will all of our animals go?
2:25:312 hours, 25 minutes, 31 seconds Ah, baby. I don't I don't know.
2:25:362 hours, 25 minutes, 36 seconds He said, "Well, why don't they just build it like beside the new the other one?"
2:25:442 hours, 25 minutes, 44 seconds You know, I don't know. It was more common sense questions, but I'm running out of time.
2:25:492 hours, 25 minutes, 49 seconds You know, we've all come used to the people moving here and we all know it.
2:25:542 hours, 25 minutes, 54 seconds Hey, don't California, my Tennessee, guys. Please don't city our country.
2:25:592 hours, 25 minutes, 59 seconds We chose to live out there. That's what we want. Please let us be that way. Thank y'all. Thank you.
2:26:142 hours, 26 minutes, 14 seconds Well, I don't like public speaking, but I'll give it a shot. Uh, my name is Ted Gashesky. Uh, excuse me. Wilson County
2:26:232 hours, 26 minutes, 23 seconds resident lives at 1215 Balon Trace, a stones throw away from uh site number
2:26:282 hours, 26 minutes, 28 seconds one and half a stones throw, excuse me, away from a bald eagle's nest.
2:26:412 hours, 26 minutes, 41 seconds And that bird means a lot.
2:26:452 hours, 26 minutes, 45 seconds Anyway, I am opposed to any of the sites along Man Road, Manners Road, Berea Church. Um, and beyond that, my
2:26:542 hours, 26 minutes, 54 seconds influence kind of stops. My interest stops to be quite frank. Uh, the committee was established pretty darn
2:27:012 hours, 27 minutes, 1 secondquickly and given 90 days to do a task when the sewer plant should have been
2:27:092 hours, 27 minutes, 9 seconds replaced 15 years ago. And for goodness sakes, they started engineering the new plant four years ago and you got 90
2:27:182 hours, 27 minutes, 18 seconds days. Okay? You still have a duty to do what's right. A duty. You volunteered for it.
2:27:272 hours, 27 minutes, 27 seconds Hold it near to your heart.
2:27:302 hours, 27 minutes, 30 seconds Um the interesting thing I I did run across reading thousand or a thousand pages or better of u uh council minutes
2:27:382 hours, 27 minutes, 38 seconds and things like that because that's what I used to do.
2:27:412 hours, 27 minutes, 41 seconds um the property that was uh removed from the matrix uh before the committee was formed.
2:27:542 hours, 27 minutes, 54 seconds That was actually done under resolution 26 2841.
2:28:042 hours, 28 minutes, 4 seconds You were created under 45.
2:28:082 hours, 28 minutes, 8 seconds That was that uh resolution. If you look it up right here,
2:28:152 hours, 28 minutes, 15 seconds 21 April of this year was uh to take the Canaster family
2:28:222 hours, 28 minutes, 22 seconds property off the list because they did not want to sell it. Now, yes, the
2:28:282 hours, 28 minutes, 28 seconds Canaster family had provided property uh to the school and things like that and some other people talk, you know, talked
2:28:362 hours, 28 minutes, 36 seconds about it. I, you know, good for them. I I don't even know them, but good for them. But it's listed on the documents
2:28:432 hours, 28 minutes, 43 seconds that because they did not want to sell, we're not using eminent domain. Take them off the list with prejudiced. If
2:28:502 hours, 28 minutes, 50 seconds you know what that term means, means don't talk about it. Don't approach them. Nothing. So, I suspect that you
2:28:572 hours, 28 minutes, 57 seconds would want to consider another metric on your your form that says go out and talk to these people and find out if they
2:29:062 hours, 29 minutes, 6 seconds want to sell their property. If they don't, they should be treated just like the canasters.
2:29:212 hours, 29 minutes, 21 seconds My name is Leanne Blevens. I live at 204 Payton Farms Road. I'm gonna sound a little different than everybody else tonight. I think I know I know a couple
2:29:292 hours, 29 minutes, 29 seconds of you. I know you're good people. The rest of you, I know some of you got drafted to be on this committee. um
2:29:362 hours, 29 minutes, 36 seconds didn't ask, just were told. Um but I want to thank you for being here and listening to all of us and still coming
2:29:422 hours, 29 minutes, 42 seconds back tonight and fighting for what's right or what we think's right, but I mean but what's right and not just what one person or or others may want to say.
2:29:532 hours, 29 minutes, 53 seconds Um I want to thank you for that. I hope you will continue to listen and I I personally thank you for that. I will say to the three council members, I know
2:30:022 hours, 30 minutes, 2 seconds this committee was started and and Camille, I'm not trying to attack, but I hope y'all will learn that when we if you commit start a committee like this,
2:30:102 hours, 30 minutes, 10 seconds this went backwards. We need to learn how to make sure and I don't know that I would have done it any better, but I hope you'll take this as a lesson of
2:30:192 hours, 30 minutes, 19 seconds to make sure we don't go backwards on something because this ended up kind of going backwards. And I don't think at any I don't think at any time it was
2:30:272 hours, 30 minutes, 27 seconds intended to be. But I think it's a good lesson for all of us to learn. 2020 is, you know, hindsight is is 2020 to learn
2:30:352 hours, 30 minutes, 35 seconds how we can make sure that the parameters we set don't send us backwards sometimes when we do something like that. And thank y'all for what you do, too. Thank you.
2:30:482 hours, 30 minutes, 48 seconds Jason Denton. I live at 5051 Castle Fairy Pike. Um, as most of you know, I'm an attorney. Um, also, uh, farmer, land
2:30:582 hours, 30 minutes, 58 seconds owner, and, uh, attend Bria Church of Christ. I just ask that when you go to your scoring matrix that some things
2:31:072 hours, 31 minutes, 7 seconds that have been discussed tonight uh about the environmental effect and the community effect that you just don't place over those and don't ignore those
2:31:162 hours, 31 minutes, 16 seconds for the interest of oh it's only going to take 250 ft of pipe because those are the things that are important to these
2:31:242 hours, 31 minutes, 24 seconds people here and to myself. I grew up very poor. I've worked hard for what I have earned and I'm right next door to
2:31:322 hours, 31 minutes, 32 seconds site number five, the McFarland farm. I raise goats, cattle, horses, and
2:31:382 hours, 31 minutes, 38 seconds chickens. Um, to me that the things that I would ask you consider when you're considering anything outside the urban
2:31:462 hours, 31 minutes, 46 seconds growth boundary would be that we live there because we want to. If we wanted to deal with these problems, we would be
2:31:542 hours, 31 minutes, 54 seconds in the city. So, I would just ask that you try to keep it in the city. I was very encouraged tonight by everything
2:32:012 hours, 32 minutes, 1 secondthat I heard. I'll be honest with you. I am leaving in a better position mentally than I did when I walked through these
2:32:082 hours, 32 minutes, 8 seconds doors. But a couple of things that I want you to consider is smell distance.
2:32:142 hours, 32 minutes, 14 seconds You really want the children at Friendship Christian smelling this plant. And anyone who says it doesn't smell needs to go by there when they're
2:32:232 hours, 32 minutes, 23 seconds turnurning up the solids and it about knock you out of your car sometimes.
2:32:282 hours, 32 minutes, 28 seconds Also, I would say consider farmland, double century farm, McFarland farm. I live right next door to it. That is
2:32:372 hours, 32 minutes, 37 seconds important because he's raising cattle, he's raising, he's cutting hay. I'm doing the same thing, but I do it over three counties. I've got a farm in Sar,
2:32:452 hours, 32 minutes, 45 seconds got one in Smith, and I got one in Wilson. So that's important. The other thing I would ask that you consider and
2:32:532 hours, 32 minutes, 53 seconds very considerate is that just because you're out at Berea and Cooh's Ferry area doesn't mean that you're not in a
2:33:002 hours, 33 minuteshigh density area. Clay Estates and Carly Estates has over 200 family homes right there. And that is less than 800
2:33:092 hours, 33 minutes, 9 seconds ft from site number five. And lastly, the more important thing to my heart is where I worship. I don't want to smell
2:33:182 hours, 33 minutes, 18 seconds it when I'm worshiping at Burria Church of Christ on Sunday mornings. And this plant would be right next door to Bria
2:33:252 hours, 33 minutes, 25 seconds Church of Christ. I've got a uh correspondence here from me and Jerry McFarland that I'm going to submit for the record and both of us have signed
2:33:332 hours, 33 minutes, 33 seconds it. Please consider those things when you're scoring. Thank you. Thank you.
2:33:422 hours, 33 minutes, 42 seconds I'll uh I'll preface this by saying that I don't envy your task and that you all must be looking forward to boring meetings.
2:33:502 hours, 33 minutes, 50 seconds My name's uh Kendall Best. I live at 2055 Man Road in beautiful Possum Town.
2:33:552 hours, 33 minutes, 55 seconds Um with the exception of a stint in Cookville for college, I've made Wilson County my uh home for my entire adult
2:34:012 hours, 34 minutes, 1 secondlife. Um we uh our most recent house was purchased in 2019 and when we began our search we
2:34:102 hours, 34 minutes, 10 seconds purposefully uh restricted it to locations outside of the city limits.
2:34:162 hours, 34 minutes, 16 seconds Um many reasons but one of the main reasons was we uh we wanted to insulate ourselves as much as possible from the
2:34:242 hours, 34 minutes, 24 seconds growth of the city. We kind of saw we kind of saw what was happening with Mount Juliet and how its growth quickly
2:34:312 hours, 34 minutes, 31 seconds outpaced its infrastructure and we kind of kind of saw the writing on the wall for Lebanon and we wanted to get as far away from that as possible. Uh,
2:34:402 hours, 34 minutes, 40 seconds apparently I underestimated the potential reach of the city because now here I stand before you to ask you not to encroach on us. Um, I love our
2:34:492 hours, 34 minutes, 49 seconds community, love it, and I don't want to see it become industrialized, and I don't want to raise my children in the shadows of a sewage treatment facility.
2:34:582 hours, 34 minutes, 58 seconds um you know and and ultimately if it comes to pass that one of our rural
2:35:042 hours, 35 minutes, 4 seconds communities has to pay for the procrastination, the unmititigated growth and the
2:35:132 hours, 35 minutes, 13 seconds planning of the city, then I think every resident uh city or county has to ask themselves what the city of Lebanon and
2:35:212 hours, 35 minutes, 21 seconds its council will be willing to sacrifice next in the name of uh growth and progress. But uh I appreciate the time to speak and y'all have a good evening.
2:35:292 hours, 35 minutes, 29 seconds Thank you. Thank you.
2:35:352 hours, 35 minutes, 35 seconds Philip Donnell, the man that just won't go away. Um, you know, I I I hate that
2:35:422 hours, 35 minutes, 42 seconds y'all have this task and I know moving forward that this is going to city council. And I don't know if all of you
2:35:502 hours, 35 minutes, 50 seconds know this, but city council approved a 311 house development there on Maple
2:35:562 hours, 35 minutes, 56 seconds Hill on part of our farm, 150 acres that my aunt and uncle had. So literally
2:36:032 hours, 36 minutes, 3 seconds those houses on the Tatum farm and the Han farm will be right next to site 8.
2:36:102 hours, 36 minutes, 10 seconds We are site 8. And not only that, but the environmental impact. Steve and I had a a great conversation two meetings
2:36:192 hours, 36 minutes, 19 seconds ago after everybody left. My father worked for T DOT. He was a civil engineer. He worked in environmental planning. That's the way I look at
2:36:262 hours, 36 minutes, 26 seconds everything is the impact. If if you'd come to me and asked me to do this matrix, number one would have been, does the family want to sell?
2:36:382 hours, 36 minutes, 38 seconds That should have been top the top question. And yet, nobody has talked to me or my mother about our farm if if
2:36:462 hours, 36 minutes, 46 seconds we're willing to sell. And like was brought up about the Canaster farm, they didn't want to sell. There was a
2:36:532 hours, 36 minutes, 53 seconds resolution. It was taken off the list. I think that every family out there that owns property and there's a home sitting
2:37:002 hours, 37 minuteson it and and at the last meeting I got up and walked out because I I saw a tank sitting on a a graveyard that's on our
2:37:082 hours, 37 minutes, 8 seconds farm that has people from the late 1700s buried in it.
2:37:132 hours, 37 minutes, 13 seconds That would be another thing on my matrix. What sort of historical value
2:37:202 hours, 37 minutes, 20 seconds does does this property have? You know, we're in Wilson County. There's
2:37:262 hours, 37 minutes, 26 seconds limestone. There's sink holes. These aren't things that you can see from a sterile environment sitting in an office looking at a map.
2:37:362 hours, 37 minutes, 36 seconds Jeff's been out to that farm. He He knows how much rock is out there. He he knows we're we're bordered on the entire
2:37:432 hours, 37 minutes, 43 seconds north side, the northwest side and the west side by water by by Barton's Creek and Palmer's Branch and the Horn Springs
2:37:512 hours, 37 minutes, 51 seconds that feeds in to to Palmer's Branch. You know, I'm not just fighting for me. I'm I'm talking about everybody that's out
2:37:592 hours, 37 minutes, 59 seconds in the county. Th this has been a problem that the city has and I hate to say overlooked, but in Jeff's own words
2:38:072 hours, 38 minutes, 7 seconds and in the mayor's words, we've known about this for 15 years more. And since you since they've painted themselves in
2:38:162 hours, 38 minutes, 16 seconds the corner, let's not put it on the shoulders of the people out in the county. Let's let's try to to make this stay in the city as close to the
2:38:242 hours, 38 minutes, 24 seconds existing plant and then maybe once we get that plant online, we can update the old plant and and
2:38:312 hours, 38 minutes, 31 seconds we're looking at the next hundred years instead of 50 years.
2:38:362 hours, 38 minutes, 36 seconds Good luck, y'all. Thank you. Thank my name is Glenn Edwards. Live at 888
2:38:462 hours, 38 minutes, 46 seconds Man Road. My great-grandfather moved to that area in Pawsometown in 1909. He uh
2:38:542 hours, 38 minutes, 54 seconds built a barn, built a house, built a family there. Uh my uh grandfather, grandparents, they first uh they moved
2:39:032 hours, 39 minutes, 3 seconds to this area in 1930, bought land next to uh the my great-grandfather. My great-grandfather built a barn. Uh the
2:39:112 hours, 39 minutes, 11 seconds barn has been recently restored. Uh my oldest son is milking Jersey cows there.
2:39:172 hours, 39 minutes, 17 seconds uh have three granddaughters. Uh they are uh 15, nine, and five years old. Uh they will be sixth generation on this
2:39:252 hours, 39 minutes, 25 seconds farm. The farm is not technically a century farm as we have not gone through the paperwork. It qualifies for it, but
2:39:322 hours, 39 minutes, 32 seconds it has not been done. When my grandparents moved to the area in the 1930s, they bought a old log house.
2:39:402 hours, 39 minutes, 40 seconds Frank Burns, the used to be the former county historian, told us that in his opinion, he thought that was one of the
2:39:482 hours, 39 minutes, 48 seconds oldest settlements in Wilson County. He was unable to prove it, and it's not in any of the books, but that's what Frank Burns told us.
2:39:572 hours, 39 minutes, 57 seconds Our area has grown an awful lot. Uh I'm one of the oldest people that live in Pawsum Town or native Pawsumtown people
2:40:042 hours, 40 minutes, 4 seconds now. Trish West Morland is another older one. uh Jeremy McFarland. There's probably some other older folks that live there that uh uh that I'm that I'm overlooking and I apologize for that.
2:40:152 hours, 40 minutes, 15 seconds But there's been a lot of growth there.
2:40:172 hours, 40 minutes, 17 seconds Our farm is now bordered by two subdivisions. The people that have come in, we welcome them as it we appreciate
2:40:262 hours, 40 minutes, 26 seconds them coming as we probably wouldn't have had the support without all the new people coming in to fight something like
2:40:352 hours, 40 minutes, 35 seconds this from happening. do appreciate their support. Appreciate you guys also for considering the human aspect consuming
2:40:432 hours, 40 minutes, 43 seconds or considering the farming aspect. Uh it's a uh rural area. We do have our own Christmas parade, the Possum Town
2:40:502 hours, 40 minutes, 50 seconds Christmas Parade. Y'all are welcome to come by and take a look at that. It goes by our house, which is kind of unique, but I appreciate y'all's time. Thank y'all very much.
2:41:032 hours, 41 minutes, 3 seconds Get real quick. Uh John Hornak 93 North Denny Road. Um you mentioned the Murphy'sboro plant. How many acres is that on?
2:41:122 hours, 41 minutes, 12 seconds I I do not but I I don't know the exact acreage of the of the propert.
2:41:172 hours, 41 minutes, 17 seconds I don't either. I just I Googled it. It looks like it's on 40. I might be wrong.
2:41:222 hours, 41 minutes, 22 seconds Um but I would just ask maybe you look at that. And then from what I could find online, they're uh somewhere between 20
2:41:292 hours, 41 minutes, 29 seconds and 32 million gallons on that site. The answers vary according to what I found.
2:41:342 hours, 41 minutes, 34 seconds So, looks like 60 might be a little big if that's accurate. I I don't know. Just Thank you,
2:41:452 hours, 41 minutes, 45 seconds Patrick Ritter, 1273 Tric Road. I sent a flaming email to many of you a few hours ago, and I want to say I appreciate the
2:41:522 hours, 41 minutes, 52 seconds actions you've taken tonight. I'm very encouraged, but what I've heard, especially from several of you that have have beat that drum of keep it in the
2:42:002 hours, 42 minutescity. Um, I appreciate the community members. I know y'all have better things to do with your families than be up here dealing with this. And I appreciate
2:42:082 hours, 42 minutes, 8 seconds y'all's commitment to making making this right for us. Um, I won't put you through reading my email. That was my original plan, but not as this meeting's
2:42:162 hours, 42 minutes, 16 seconds gone. But I want do want to say a couple things. Um, not only am I I'm encouraged by the progress, there was constructive
2:42:232 hours, 42 minutes, 23 seconds conversation around Cracker Barrel and Rockwood. Um, Rockwood has been the willing seller all along. As I spoke up here the night the Canater Farm was
2:42:312 hours, 42 minutes, 31 seconds taken off the the agenda, I said, "Why aren't you looking at Rockwood? They're a willing seller." There's case law that says if you take somebody else's
2:42:382 hours, 42 minutes, 38 seconds property when a willing seller's able to or willing to sell to you, you're going to have a big problem. That's not going to bode well in a court. Even though
2:42:462 hours, 42 minutes, 46 seconds governments can take property for imminent domain, Rockwood's willing to sell. Question that came up tonight. Why isn't TRW responsible for all of the
2:42:552 hours, 42 minutes, 55 seconds contamination? I'm not asking you to answer me tonight, but somebody probably ought to look into that. Surely back in the 60s, there was some sort of indemnification clause in that
2:43:042 hours, 43 minutes, 4 seconds agreement. That's a big company, whoever the predecessor was to Rockwood. You can't just walk away from environmental concerns because you flipped your
2:43:122 hours, 43 minutes, 12 seconds company. Somebody ought to get Mr. right to look into that. Um, I appreciate Mr. Jones elaborating on other technologies.
2:43:212 hours, 43 minutes, 21 seconds That was part of my flaming email I sent earlier today. I understand there may be higher cost. Um, Mrs. Rogers said it
2:43:282 hours, 43 minutes, 28 seconds very well um about not related to M. I guess she's married to Mr. Rogers now that I think about it. Um, her
2:43:352 hours, 43 minutes, 35 seconds comparison requirement around uh better technology and a 20 or 30 year operating cost. I think that was spot on. on being
2:43:422 hours, 43 minutes, 42 seconds a finance guy, I love a 20 or 30 year uh cost plan. Um I appreciate what y'all have done. I know the Canader farm was
2:43:512 hours, 43 minutes, 51 seconds one thing and there was a small outpouring. I think you see this has become a community movement even bigger than it was against the Canater uh
2:43:582 hours, 43 minutes, 58 seconds property being taken. I appreciate y'all and what I term my email is it time to pivot. I feel like we're finally pivoting. Thank you.
2:44:082 hours, 44 minutes, 8 seconds Any other comments? Any sis comments tonight?
2:44:152 hours, 44 minutes, 15 seconds I'd like to say thank you for speaking into your microphone so we can actually hear you.
2:44:192 hours, 44 minutes, 19 seconds Thank you for correcting me and making sure I do that. I appreciate that, too. I'll correct you on anything.
2:44:252 hours, 44 minutes, 25 seconds You didn't tell me I was talking too fast. I get that a whole lot. One housekeeping thing. I was outside.
2:44:332 hours, 44 minutes, 33 seconds Come on up.
2:44:352 hours, 44 minutes, 35 seconds I was outside earlier because there wasn't enough room in here. And in the foyer where the TV is, we can't see anything that's up here. Whenever you
2:44:432 hours, 44 minutes, 43 seconds talk about the sites, can you at least reference the parcel numbers and what site you're talking about and sort of identify them because everybody out
2:44:512 hours, 44 minutes, 51 seconds there, we had no idea what site you were on other than site one. And if you'll label parcel number or maybe give a street address that started out on
2:45:002 hours, 45 minutesnumber one, it said, "Hey, Man Road." And that helps us a lot. Sure. And that's all that's just a comment. Thank you, Jeff. Can you get with it or maybe the
2:45:072 hours, 45 minutes, 7 seconds mayor can and ask them if they can put a TV out there that will stream the map at So again, yes. Again, we thank everybody for your attention tonight. I think
2:45:152 hours, 45 minutes, 15 seconds y'all have heard. We had to go through this process getting to the point where you guys had to speak a couple millions, etc. We we've heard all that. We've been looking behind the scenes, too, with our
2:45:242 hours, 45 minutes, 24 seconds city attorney about that one site that may be available, which could change the whole momentum possibly. That's important. Hopefully, next two weeks,
2:45:312 hours, 45 minutes, 31 seconds we'll know more about that site. Again, I asked our committee to go back and go ahead and and rank these sites on our matrix. We can get this thing down hope
2:45:382 hours, 45 minutes, 38 seconds with eight or 10 sites and then we'll keep digging deeper to hopefully find the right cider sites. And I hope y'all bear with us. We do want to do the right
2:45:462 hours, 45 minutes, 46 seconds thing here, too. We, as Mayor Ho said, we need a we need a wastewater plant somewhere. So, we got to keep working towards that. So, thank y'all for your attendance. We we do be here in a couple weeks. Thank you.
2:45:552 hours, 45 minutes, 55 seconds Motion to adjourn. Absolutely. We're journal.
2:46:062 hours, 46 minutes, 6 seconds I know. You can't beat it, can you?
2:46:162 hours, 46 minutes, 16 seconds Yeah, Bill's I'm a late fall birthday, but better in October.
2:46:342 hours, 46 minutes, 34 seconds and maybe two together.
2:46:362 hours, 46 minutes, 36 seconds No, no, nothing
2:46:432 hours, 46 minutes, 43 seconds like
2:46:552 hours, 46 minutes, 55 seconds your smaller
2:47:202 hours, 47 minutes, 20 seconds Need help? What do you need help with?
2:47:322 hours, 47 minutes, 32 seconds He come rolling in the dog on the They sure are.
2:47:542 hours, 47 minutes, 54 seconds Do you want anything? Are you sure?
2:48:262 hours, 48 minutes, 26 seconds I need them. May need them for midnight snack. Yeah.
2:48:482 hours, 48 minutes, 48 seconds I mean, That's

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