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3:483 minutes, 48 seconds Nice.
4:034 minutes, 3 seconds Long agenda, but everything I read looks like this is not a big deal. Clearly everything has to go in here.
4:114 minutes, 11 seconds Christian more things have to go in here than ever before. Something changed and everything has to get loaded on. Public
4:204 minutes, 20 seconds comment is only reason they don't be here till 2:00.
4:354 minutes, 35 seconds Yeah.
4:454 minutes, 45 seconds You could do that. So that's the problem.
4:564 minutes, 56 seconds When I was trying to get the zoning done for five, I just made my comments and I said, "Everybody agreed. Stand up." And everybody stood up like, "Okay, you don't need to say it 100 times." Right.
5:065 minutes, 6 seconds But you get the point, right?
5:095 minutes, 9 seconds Okay. It's 6:00 night time for night city council meeting. I'll call the meeting to order. Ask Lee Clark to lead the invocation.
5:215 minutes, 21 seconds Let's pray. Our dear most gracious heavenly father, we just thank you for this day. Just thank you for the cooler temperatures that we're having. Uh I just ask you to be with the Gibbs family, the loss of David uh this week.
5:335 minutes, 33 seconds And dear Lord, just be with this council as we conduct business as the city that what we do will be pleasing to you. In Jesus name I pray. Amen. Amen.
5:415 minutes, 41 seconds I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under
5:505 minutes, 50 seconds God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
6:016 minutes, 1 second Roll call, please.
6:046 minutes, 4 seconds Jerry Ashley, here.
6:076 minutes, 7 seconds Here. Chris Cra here.
6:086 minutes, 8 seconds Tick Brian here.
6:106 minutes, 10 seconds Phil Morehead here. Mayor Bale, you have a qu.
6:136 minutes, 13 seconds Uh, we also have the minutes from the August 4th city council meeting. Motion to approve.
6:186 minutes, 18 seconds Council Morehead, second with council Carmarmac. Any discussion on those minutes? I.
6:256 minutes, 25 seconds Any opposed? Thank you. Uh now it's time for communication from citizens. So if anyone would like to speak tonight, uh now is the opportunity to do that. Uh if
6:336 minutes, 33 seconds you'd like to speak, please step the podium and state your name and address and you'll have three minutes to speak.
6:386 minutes, 38 seconds Um there's a light system up there that will um help you with a countdown of your time. Um there are some some things
6:476 minutes, 47 seconds I do ask though. I do ask that uh people not do not line up at the podium. Uh if there's a speaker up there, just wait till they sit down and then whoever
6:556 minutes, 55 seconds wants to go next go next. I know there's some people in the lobby as well. So if they want an opportunity to speak, they will have the opportunity to. We have
7:027 minutes, 2 seconds officers out there uh who will help get them in the room to do that. Uh we also ask that you treat uh every speaker with
7:107 minutes, 10 seconds respect. Uh no booing, no applause um and those types of things. But um and also you get one chance to speak too as
7:207 minutes, 20 seconds well. So, so if any like to speak, now's your time. And please uh just step to the podium and state your name and address.
7:337 minutes, 33 seconds Mark Cobalt, 1695 Horn Springs Road.
7:377 minutes, 37 seconds Y'all were elected to serve the best interests of all of your Lebanon residents. A committee was tasked and
7:457 minutes, 45 seconds proposed potential sites for a sewage treatment plant. and somehow you overlooked the current site.
7:537 minutes, 53 seconds Who already decided what kind of facility was to be built?
7:577 minutes, 57 seconds How was that determined? What criteria was driving the decision? Was the newer technology plant like the Jones Creek
8:058 minutes, 5 seconds treatment plant even toured like the Rutherford County facility? Today, I
8:128 minutes, 12 seconds went to Smyrna. I went to Murphy'sboro and I drove around those plants and I spoke with the residents who live around
8:208 minutes, 20 seconds it in all directions and every one of them can smell their plant. Technology exists today that would allow a moving
8:298 minutes, 29 seconds bed bofilm reactor MBBR sewage treatment plant to be built on the current land that our sewage plant
8:378 minutes, 37 seconds already sits on. These type treatment plants are working today. They've been recognized for partnering with their
8:448 minutes, 44 seconds communities. The John's Creek Environmental Campus and the Bear Creek Sewage Treatment Facility are both located full in Fulton County, Georgia.
8:538 minutes, 53 seconds Look them up. They are completely different than what is being proposed.
8:588 minutes, 58 seconds See the difference. I know this information and these this technology was presented to Mayor Bell on July 6th
9:069 minutes, 6 seconds in a face-to-face meeting. What was done with the information? Is it a secret?
9:129 minutes, 12 seconds Who has the responsibility to address our community, us, and explain to all of us as to why we
9:209 minutes, 20 seconds settled on or are only considering one type of facility. The Horn Springs Oreo Drive site number seven is an absolutely
9:299 minutes, 29 seconds idiotic location. To put a city sewer plant in the county, which is zoned rural residential, it's not industrial.
9:399 minutes, 39 seconds This is preposterous.
9:419 minutes, 41 seconds This community is one of the most beautiful and desirable in Lebanon. This is why we all live there. A sewage plant
9:499 minutes, 49 seconds will ruin one of the most pristine country living areas in Wilson County.
9:549 minutes, 54 seconds For many years, this council has approved housing, town homes, apartment developments, knowing that our infrastructure was not keeping up with where we were going with expansion.
10:0610 minutes, 6 seconds Where's the information in the background on what you are and are not proposing for a new sewer plant? How do we even know what it is you're looking
10:1410 minutes, 14 seconds for? How did you determine what is best for all Lebanon residents in the city as well as the county? It's time for you to
10:2310 minutes, 23 seconds step up, serve your community, make a decision that does not divide us between neighborhoods, and it serves us all.
10:3210 minutes, 32 seconds Thank you. This is a city council meeting.
10:4010 minutes, 40 seconds Applause. Thank you. Who's next?
10:5810 minutes, 58 seconds Luke Willoughby. Uh 1229 Ben Fork Drive.
11:0111 minutes, 1 second that's in the reserve of Horn Springs subdivision.
11:0511 minutes, 5 seconds And I've been asked to speak on behalf of our neighborhood. And like the former individual, we'd like for you to remove the site 7 from your consideration. Now,
11:1411 minutes, 14 seconds let's be honest. I think most people here, no one really wants sewer uh plant in their backyard. Um, in terms of the
11:2211 minutes, 22 seconds impact it's going to have on infrastructure strain, the quality of life, traffic, and the long-term impact of surrounding communities, I think, no
11:3111 minutes, 31 seconds matter where you put it, should be a concern. But also, like so many that you've heard is that site 7, unless I
11:3911 minutes, 39 seconds can be told differently, is not directly in the city of Lebanon. So my request to you is not we just don't want this in
11:4811 minutes, 48 seconds our backyard. It's whose problem are we trying to solve and where the solution should be. I would ask that you consider
11:5611 minutes, 56 seconds what your mayor said months ago of looking at the current site in doing every single thing you can to show why it can't be there.
12:0712 minutes, 7 seconds The fact of the matter is by moving the problem of the city to the county, not only is not fair right now,
12:1512 minutes, 15 seconds but it also sets up a slippery slope of future problems that the city is going to have. And it's for those reasons we ask you remove site 7 from your consideration. Thank you so much.
12:2712 minutes, 27 seconds Thank you. Anyone else?
12:3512 minutes, 35 seconds First of all, I want to thank you all taking the time to listen to us. My name is Stephanie Watkins and I live on Oral
12:4112 minutes, 41 seconds Drive. My property backs up to to the site on Horn Springs, Memorial Oral Drive. We have lived there for 28 years.
12:5012 minutes, 50 seconds We bought this land because we wanted to live in a country setting and not in the city. We raised our children, our grandchildren, and a great grandchild.
13:0013 minutes When these kids say they are coming home, they mean to come to our house.
13:0513 minutes, 5 seconds Our family and friends love to come to our house to get away from the hustle and bustle of city life. They just want to relax. We do not want to be a part of
13:1413 minutes, 14 seconds the city. When we first moved here, a neighbor had a small get together. And during this meeting, she stated how our
13:2113 minutes, 21 seconds area was like a small slice of heaven. I totally agreed with her. It is very peaceful. Not only do we have wonderful
13:2913 minutes, 29 seconds neighbors, but we have a lot of wildlife. When you come into the neighborhood, the temperature drops 5 to 10 degrees due to all the trees. This is
13:3813 minutes, 38 seconds our sanctuary. Not just the people, but the birds and all the animals. Just a couple of weeks ago, a new neighbor from Horn Springs made the exact same
13:4713 minutes, 47 seconds statement to me from 28 years ago. We have a little slice of heaven here. Now, the city comes along and wants to put a sewer treatment plant in our backyard.
13:5613 minutes, 56 seconds And if this happens for the rest of my life, I will see, hear, and smell poop 24/7. Since a treatment plant runs all
14:0614 minutes, 6 seconds day and night, trees will be bulldozed down and burned, replaced with concrete.
14:1114 minutes, 11 seconds This will no longer be a slice of heaven, but a concrete poop hell. Horn Springs cannot handle the traffic that
14:1814 minutes, 18 seconds this plant will create. It is very curvy, lots of hills, very little shoulder room. Right now, mailboxes get
14:2614 minutes, 26 seconds knocked down. People drive down the center of the road and cannot navigate the curbs. Someone will end up losing their life with the trucks coming in and out of here.
14:3714 minutes, 37 seconds No one wants this plant here. We all bought in this area to be in the country and to raise our families. Our home and
14:4414 minutes, 44 seconds land is our retirement. This plant will decrease our property value. When I sat at the last meeting, I kept hearing
14:5214 minutes, 52 seconds about new technology. One person asked the committee to look at what these larger cities do like Chicago with the
14:5914 minutes, 59 seconds new technology. This is a city issue and should remain in the city across from the current plant. A new plant can be
15:0715 minutes, 7 seconds built then when completed refurbish the old plant and both sites can be used. Thank you.
15:1415 minutes, 14 seconds Thank you. Anyone else?
15:2615 minutes, 26 seconds Hello, my name is Scott Kitchen. I live at 432 Huntington Drive in Farmington Woods. I want to thank you for allowing me the opportunity to speak tonight. I want to make one thing perfectly clear.
15:3615 minutes, 36 seconds I'm not opposed to solving the problem that we have with our wastewater treatment plant. Our community is growing and our wastewater infrastructure must grow with it. I
15:4515 minutes, 45 seconds understand that completely. I also understand that the city has a legitimate reason to begin planning now because the existing system has exceeded
15:5315 minutes, 53 seconds its capacity and we're under pressure to have that problem resolved. I support moving forward. My concern is not
16:0116 minutes, 1 second whether we should plan. My concern is whether we're asking the questions in the right order.
16:0816 minutes, 8 seconds The city is currently evaluating sites for a future wastewater treatment facility. But before deciding where the facility should go, I believe we should first determine what wastewater solution Lebanon needs for the next 50 years.
16:1916 minutes, 19 seconds That was the charter that you set out for was something that would solve this problem long term. If I if I want to build a house that requires a septic
16:2816 minutes, 28 seconds system, I don't go um and it doesn't do me any good to go out and find all the potential sites if I don't know that I
16:3616 minutes, 36 seconds will need it to perk for a five- bedroomedroom house if I haven't said that upfront. We haven't set the expectation. How do we truly evaluate
16:4416 minutes, 44 seconds the sites? According to the city's own planning, the system could ultimately expand from 10 million gallons per day to as much as 40 million gallons um in
16:5316 minutes, 53 seconds the future. This means that this is not simply a real estate decision. This is a decision that will shape Lebanon's wastewater infrastructure for
17:0217 minutes, 2 seconds generations. Before selecting a site, citizens should understand some basic questions. What treatment technology are
17:0817 minutes, 8 seconds we considering? What are the projected flows over the next 10, 20, and 50 years? What are the discharge
17:1517 minutes, 15 seconds requirements? How much land is actually required for the proposed technology?
17:2017 minutes, 20 seconds What are the capital cost, operating costs, and long-term life cycles for these sites? What collection system improvements, pump stations, and force
17:2817 minutes, 28 seconds mains will be required. It's not just a here and now. It's for the future. These are the factors that should determine whether a site is truly suitable. I also believe that transparency is essential.
17:3817 minutes, 38 seconds Citizens should be able to see the alternatives that were evaluated, the engineering assumptions behind them, the projections, the costs, the
17:4617 minutes, 46 seconds environmental impacts, and the criteria used to compare potential sites.
17:5117 minutes, 51 seconds Having someone just come up and say, "Let's remove a site," does not make sense for the long-term future of our community. Our selection committee was
17:5817 minutes, 58 seconds unable to include many important factors in their selection process. Their charter was merely to determine if the property owner was willing to sell. What
18:0618 minutes, 6 seconds about those sites where the property owner isn't willing to sell? What if it requires imminent domain for the best possible solution for our community for
18:1418 minutes, 14 seconds the next 50 years? Shouldn't that be considered as well? Transparency is not just about agreeing with every decision.
18:2218 minutes, 22 seconds It's about allowing citizens to understand how the decision was reached and evaluate the facts for themselves.
18:2718 minutes, 27 seconds I'm not asking for the city to stop. I'm asking for the city to strengthen the process before an irreversible decision is made. Thank you.
18:3518 minutes, 35 seconds Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else?
18:5018 minutes, 50 seconds I just have one really simple comment to make and uh my name is I'm sorry. My name is Linda Stanbro. I live at 713 Farmington Drive in Farmington Woods.
19:0019 minutes Thank you.
19:0019 minutes off of Carver. And there's two locations that are on Carver that we are concerned
19:0719 minutes, 7 seconds about. And my simple thing is we are a neighborhood. We that whole area around
19:1419 minutes, 14 seconds there is full of houses and neighborhoods and it is no place to put an industrial
19:2219 minutes, 22 seconds water treatment plant. You know, we have yards, we have trees, and it's just the wrong place to be putting it. So, there
19:3019 minutes, 30 seconds has to be an option to put it somewhere else. There's a lot of people who showed up here today because I don't think anybody here probably wants it in their
19:3919 minutes, 39 seconds neighborhood either. And I would encourage all of you to just stand up.
19:4319 minutes, 43 seconds If you say anything else, every one of you get up and just say, "No, I don't want it in my neighborhood." Thank you.
19:5119 minutes, 51 seconds Thank you.
20:0420 minutes, 4 seconds Hi, good evening. Kelly Stodder, um 109 Springfield Drive, Farmington. Um
20:1220 minutes, 12 seconds number one, I agree with everyone. We understand that this is a necessity. I think what we're asking for number one is full transparency because I don't
20:2020 minutes, 20 seconds think anybody here believes that we've seen or heard it from this council or from the minutes or the meetings seem to be a lot of backdoor politicking just to
20:2820 minutes, 28 seconds make plain and simple and I don't think when it comes to a project this size that that's acceptable within the city.
20:3520 minutes, 35 seconds Number two, eight months ago, you stood here. We stood here and we fought for neighborhoods and you approved neighborhoods and now you're telling us
20:4320 minutes, 43 seconds that doesn't matter because we're going to take this same land and we're going to turn it into a wastewater treatment
20:5120 minutes, 51 seconds plant. That's mine. Um, but I also Rachel could not be here this evening and I'm going to read this. This is from Rachel Defendol who lives on Huntington
20:5920 minutes, 59 seconds and I'm sorry I don't know her exact address. Um, I understand Lebanon's tremendous growth requires additional capacity. I'm not opposed to a new
21:0721 minutes, 7 seconds plant, but I'm concerned about where we put it. As healthc care providers, we believe public health should be the highest weighted criteria. The health
21:1421 minutes, 14 seconds concerns are supported by a ton of research, and she lists them here, and she had intended to hand this out to the
21:2021 minutes, 20 seconds council. Um, 2016 peer-reviewed 235 residents living within approximately.3 miles of a wastewater treatment plant.
21:3021 minutes, 30 seconds Researchers found significant symptoms and headaches, tiredness, difficulty concentrating, gastrointestinal system
21:3821 minutes, 38 seconds symptoms and detected potentially pathogenic airborne microorganisms.
21:4421 minutes, 44 seconds 2024 study of the intal environment measured wastewater bioerosols at approximately 7 978
21:5221 minutes, 52 seconds to 3710 colony forming units per cubic meter.
21:5721 minutes, 57 seconds found that these pathogenic bacteria found that wind speed and humidity humidity significantly influenced the bioerosol concentrations.
22:0722 minutes, 7 seconds These absolutely establish a reason to ask why would we intentionally place one close to largely populated residential
22:1422 minutes, 14 seconds areas without first conducting an independent health assist. Wind does matter. Even an enclosed plant does not
22:2222 minutes, 22 seconds guarantee equipment failure, maintenance outages, power outages, and ventilation will never occur. Having children, older
22:2922 minutes, 29 seconds residents, and adults even with asthma, COPD, cancer, and immune compromised disorders, these serious conditions must be considered as vulnerable populations.
22:4022 minutes, 40 seconds How many homes within that quarter mile or half mile? And how many are downwind?
22:4522 minutes, 45 seconds Why aren't we following protections similar to Davidson County? Davidson County qu County requires a wastewater
22:5222 minutes, 52 seconds treatment facility to remain at least a th00and ft or.1 9 miles from any residential property line, not from a house, from a residential property line.
23:0423 minutes, 4 seconds Why is Lebanon not following similar protections of their residents? Thank you. Thank you.
23:1223 minutes, 12 seconds Anyone else?
23:2023 minutes, 20 seconds Yeah, my name's Hope Huffer, 312 Choir Lane. I'm about uh 30 seconds drive uh
23:2723 minutes, 27 seconds to the entrance uh at site 13 that you're now considering as a location for uh the sewage treatment plant. Um you've
23:3523 minutes, 35 seconds got a thousand residents within probably a a third of a mile. I agree with just about everyone. No one wants it in your
23:4123 minutes, 41 seconds backyard, but putting it in a an area where you already have a thousand or plus residents within that close of a
23:5023 minutes, 50 seconds proximity um is I don't think it we should even be in that realm of a consideration in the
23:5823 minutes, 58 seconds first place. um so many other locations that would be available or that maybe you could even pursue outside of the ones I've heard other people just speak
24:0724 minutes, 7 seconds of already uh to keep it especially with some of the health hazards potentially that would affect residents that already
24:1424 minutes, 14 seconds live there. They can't close their doors and and shut off uh any of those uh uh
24:2224 minutes, 22 seconds possible uh you know health health situations. But um there I mean I could walk to this front gate.
24:3024 minutes, 30 seconds I'm not sure where on that that property the location of the treatment plant's going to be. But just the project itself
24:3724 minutes, 37 seconds to build to dine whatever you're going to do to you know with all the traffic that's going to be there uh just in the
24:4424 minutes, 44 seconds building process. uh you're you're we a a condition that already exists that's
24:5124 minutes, 51 seconds going to be there and and there's nothing we can do with the residents.
24:5424 minutes, 54 seconds They they live there permanently. It's not like, you know, they can stay in a hotel for the next the rest of their life and hope that they can sell the
25:0225 minutes, 2 seconds property which is going to be valued in the first place. Anyway, thank you for your time. Thank you.
25:1025 minutes, 10 seconds Anyone else? Good evening. My name is Jennifer Jones.
25:2225 minutes, 22 seconds Uh I live at 337 Ellis Lane in the Carver Creek community. We are right next to site 13. Um I walk my dogs
25:3025 minutes, 30 seconds directly to the property line. Um, I just want to make sure that people are aware that there is an issue with the
25:3725 minutes, 37 seconds flood plane at the back of many of my neighbors uh homes on Sububin and I
25:4425 minutes, 44 seconds can't use part of my land um because it's in a protected wetland. So, the
25:5225 minutes, 52 seconds county has come in or the city has come in and put a fence between myself and the stream or the creek that makes up
26:0026 minutes Carver Creek. Um, so there is part of my property I'm not allowed to touch and it is within very short walking distance.
26:1026 minutes, 10 seconds The flood plane concerns me. Um, and it also concerns me that none of the information has been essentially uh
26:1926 minutes, 19 seconds shared with our communities um being completely downwind down the flood plane. Um, I want to make sure that in
26:2726 minutes, 27 seconds the future the city council members and our representatives are explaining to members essentially what could happen or
26:3626 minutes, 36 seconds what is the potential to happen. Um, we shouldn't have gotten to this point where you have this many people in your
26:4426 minutes, 44 seconds city council meeting um when we are so close to a decision um that I understand would be made by the end of next month.
26:5226 minutes, 52 seconds I do not think that we are ready and this is really concerning as just a member of the community. I've only been
26:5926 minutes, 59 seconds here for two and a half years. Um our community is not even fully complete. We
27:0527 minutes, 5 seconds haven't handed over our HOA uh has not been handed over to us because my understanding is that the city of
27:1327 minutes, 13 seconds Lebanon actually has some trouble with our builder. So, if you are concerned about things in our neighborhood, about
27:2227 minutes, 22 seconds uh the the things that don't match your codes, I'm concerned about why you would want
27:2827 minutes, 28 seconds to put a site so close um to something that concerns you enough that you're not allowing our builder to release the properties to us. Thank you.
27:4027 minutes, 40 seconds Thank you, Mr.
27:4727 minutes, 47 seconds Pat Nolner, 2968 Horn Springs Road. I got to back you up on that. Uh at 2968 Horn Springs Road. I back up to the
27:5527 minutes, 55 seconds wonderful David Weekly establishment which is part of Five Oaks. They've done the same thing and planning's had to do
28:0228 minutes, 2 seconds the same thing. They've had to put a an OV on them as a notice of violation.
28:0728 minutes, 7 seconds They've got a list of six or seven things including the property that joins mine. They've not they've done very little in my eyes. I'm a pipe fitter
28:1528 minutes, 15 seconds welder by trade. I'm retired. Thank you, Jesus. But this was my line my line of business. I've seen what good work is
28:2328 minutes, 23 seconds and what bad work is. But all up and down Horn Springs Road, you've got this entire neighborhood which is going to be on the curve where you want to come out
28:3028 minutes, 30 seconds with on site seven. I nearly got hit by one of the thorn trucks one time right there. I had to go in that little 7A. It
28:3828 minutes, 38 seconds wasn't fun. But gentlemen, that place was never I never bought 16 acres to be in a tight neighborhood to be in an
28:4728 minutes, 47 seconds industrial zone. I work construction lower. I didn't want to be there. I want to be in the countryside with more horses and my kids and I want hopefully
28:5528 minutes, 55 seconds my kids can do the same thing with that property. But no, I'm still listening to Dynamite, newer neighborhoods coming around. I'm just thankful we don't have uh apartments on that side yet.
29:0729 minutes, 7 seconds But my biggest I guess directive for everybody here,
29:1529 minutes, 15 seconds we've already seen what the old system did or did not do. 60 years wasn't enough.
29:2229 minutes, 22 seconds It's not even adaptable to make improvements to at this point without just really redoing the whole thing.
29:2929 minutes, 29 seconds Make it You already heard everybody else, they've spoke very eloquently about this. A new modern system is what we need.
29:3729 minutes, 37 seconds That's the only thing we need. We're talking about our future. What's best for this town, what's going to make us look better in Middle Tennessee, not
29:4429 minutes, 44 seconds just compared to Murersboro or anybody else. They didn't do all that great. They're still stinking up.
29:5229 minutes, 52 seconds Thank you. Anyone else?
30:1430 minutes, 14 seconds I'm Teresa Lkins. I live at 416 Huntington Drive in Farmington Woods.
30:1930 minutes, 19 seconds And I did not come prepared to speak tonight. I don't like to speak in front of people, but somebody begged me to
30:2530 minutes, 25 seconds come up here. And um the thing, let me make sure this um Okay, wait, I've lost it.
30:3830 minutes, 38 seconds And he handed me Okay, here it is. Um and he wants to know if the city is prepared to compensate homeowners for
30:4630 minutes, 46 seconds the decreased value of their homes. Over 200 homes in Farmington Woods plus Carver Creek and Maple Hill. Um, if
30:5530 minutes, 55 seconds putting a sewer treatment plant near our homes is going to devalue them, then, you know, is the city prepared to to do
31:0431 minutes, 4 seconds anything about that? And also, if our homes are devalued, that's going to be a loss of revenue for property taxes for
31:1131 minutes, 11 seconds the city. Um, I I, as I said, I didn't come prepared to speak, so I don't know numbers on any of that. Um, personally,
31:1931 minutes, 19 seconds my big concern has just been that it doesn't seem like the city has done its due diligence and performing all these
31:2831 minutes, 28 seconds studies as far as air quality, health risk, all those sorts of things. Um,
31:3531 minutes, 35 seconds environmental concerns. So anyway, that's, you know, those are just some of the things I I just, you know, if if if
31:4331 minutes, 43 seconds I could get a 100% guarantee that it was going to go in, it wouldn't look ugly and wouldn't stink and I wouldn't have to smell it all the time, I'd be fine
31:5031 minutes, 50 seconds with putting it anywhere. But we don't have that. And I don't know. I I just feel like it just hasn't been researched
31:5731 minutes, 57 seconds enough. I know there's been some hurry about a deadline for getting some money, but you're talking about the numbers I've seen were in the millions, tens of
32:0632 minutes, 6 seconds millions of dollars and so a small amount of federal aid or whatever that's coming in for that. Uh I'm really not
32:1432 minutes, 14 seconds knowledgeable to speak on on all this stuff, but anyway, uh I just think that the the city needs to do its due diligence and and check all these things before selecting a site. Thank you.
32:2632 minutes, 26 seconds Thank you.
32:4132 minutes, 41 seconds Hello, my name is Debbie Puroy. I'm at 710 Scarlet Place. I live in Plantation South. And um I'm not a speaker, so I
32:5132 minutes, 51 seconds wrote out my comments. So, I'm just going to read it to you guys because I'm not used to being able to do this. So, but I would just say that I agree with
33:0033 minutes what a lot of people have said. I don't think we're ready yet to make a decision on this because I think it affects a lot
33:0833 minutes, 8 seconds of people. And in my opinion, I think that that you guys as our governing
33:1433 minutes, 14 seconds governing committee should be more um aware of the good of the community
33:2233 minutes, 22 seconds because I know that that's what I mean I I get that that's probably what you guys you know that is the underlying thing that you guys strive for is the good of
33:3233 minutes, 32 seconds Lebanon. But I want to just say a few things. Um, I want to make clear, I understand that Lebanon needs additional
33:3933 minutes, 39 seconds wastewater capacity. I'm not opposed to the sewer project. I am opposed to putting this facility next to an
33:4633 minutes, 46 seconds established residential neighborhood when there are other viable locations, including an indust an industrial location. I am asking you tonight to
33:5533 minutes, 55 seconds look beyond the initial construction price and consider the full long-term cost of the decision. Your own
34:0234 minutes, 2 seconds wastewater treatment plant site selection committee was established to evaluate sites based on objective
34:1034 minutes, 10 seconds criteria including community impact, environmental impact, infrastructure, service efficiency, construction cost,
34:1834 minutes, 18 seconds and long-term service requirements. So I ask you, how can the community impact of putting a wastewater treatment plant
34:2634 minutes, 26 seconds next to people's homes be adequately accounted for simply because there is less rock to drill through or there it's
34:3434 minutes, 34 seconds it is less expensive. The city may save money on construction if you do it in a residential neighborhood, but who pays
34:4334 minutes, 43 seconds the other cost? The homeowners do. And we are homeowners who really don't want our our um property to be dev devalued.
34:5434 minutes, 54 seconds We are the people who may have to live with the odor, the traffic, the visual impact, the loss of the character of our neighborhood, and potentially a
35:0235 minutes, 2 seconds reduction in our property values. Our homes are not just numbers on a spreadsheet. For most families, their
35:0935 minutes, 9 seconds home is their greatest financial investment. And for a lot of people, that is their retirement. and that is what they have. And I don't think it is
35:1835 minutes, 18 seconds fair for the city to save money on the construction of a public facility while individual homeowners absorb the long-term financial consequences of that
35:2735 minutes, 27 seconds decision. I also want to address the argument that modern wastewater plants control o odor. I sincerely do hope that
35:3535 minutes, 35 seconds is true. But controlling odor is not the same as having no odor. And um with the
35:4235 minutes, 42 seconds residential areas as close as they are, it's I was just thinking this afternoon whenever I walked out in this beautiful weather, you know, what if I'm dealing
35:5135 minutes, 51 seconds with, you know, in a a few months to come, what if I'm dealing with Yes. I'm sorry. Time's up. Okay. Well, thank you.
36:0236 minutes, 2 seconds Thanks, Sean. Anyone else?
36:1136 minutes, 11 seconds Hello. Uh, Spencer Jackson, 274 Carver, um, 274 Suban Court in Carver Creek. Um,
36:1836 minutes, 18 seconds my wife and I relocated our family here to Lebanon Lebanon because of the family values and then family environment that this city is clearly all about, namely
36:2736 minutes, 27 seconds such as Don Fox, Jimmy Floyd, the library programs, the school district, just to name a few. Um, I feel like putting this wastewater treatment in any
36:3636 minutes, 36 seconds residential area that's going to impact the health of families and devalue their long-term property investments is not that family first environment that we
36:4536 minutes, 45 seconds signed up for when we came to Lebanon when we were deciding where we wanted to raise our family. Thank you.
36:5136 minutes, 51 seconds Thank you. Anyone else?
37:0537 minutes, 5 seconds Hi, I'm Chris Plant. I live at 301 Pimmen Way in Hawk Landing. Um, a
37:1337 minutes, 13 seconds similar situation, you know, we came to Lebanon because of the values here. We came here to retire
37:2037 minutes, 20 seconds and we bought property that's um close to site 13, so we're just off of Carver.
37:2737 minutes, 27 seconds Uh, so this was not in our plans. Um, I I think one I agree with a lot of comments tonight. Um, one of my
37:3637 minutes, 36 seconds frustrations has been trying to find information about what sites were considered dismissed. U was a site
37:4437 minutes, 44 seconds that's right next to the sewage treatment plant just north of it even in consideration since it's right there.
37:5237 minutes, 52 seconds Um, you know, I'd like to be able to see more information about it. and I was unable to find anything on the Lebanon
38:0038 minutes website, you know, any meeting minutes or any maps or anything like that. So, one thing I'd ask for is some
38:0738 minutes, 7 seconds transparency on the decisions that are going to be made so what and where force. Thank you.
38:2638 minutes, 26 seconds Hi, Bobby Sturgeon, 327 Ellis Lane.
38:2938 minutes, 29 seconds We're in Carver Creek also. Um, just you guys wouldn't want this buted up to your property and we just don't either. I
38:3838 minutes, 38 seconds think that that's all we're asking for is just don't put it in a residential area. We all know what needs to get done and I think we just want more work, more
38:4638 minutes, 46 seconds time, more effort to try and come up with a solution that works for everybody. Thank you. Thank you.
38:5638 minutes, 56 seconds Anyone else?
39:0539 minutes, 5 seconds She 2598 Horn Springs Road, not 2698.
39:1039 minutes, 10 seconds Uh first of all, I really want to thank the all the counselors. You all have been very attentive to the comments from the citizenry here and it and it really
39:1839 minutes, 18 seconds speaks volumes, I think, to the quality of the community that we have is that you're interested in hearing the feedback. We've all seen YouTubetubes of
39:2539 minutes, 25 seconds various community uh meetings where people are not. So, first, thank you for that. Um I'm here to stand in opposition
39:3239 minutes, 32 seconds to the oral site, site seven, so we'll get that out of the way right now. Um, and I've spoken here and at planning
39:4039 minutes, 40 seconds meetings in the past. Many of you all know me. And there's a recurring theme and I really want to ring this bell again. And that is you have a long-term
39:4739 minutes, 47 seconds growth plan, right? You approve it every five or 10 years. I forget how frequent it is. You lay out what each area of the
39:5639 minutes, 56 seconds community should be from from what the vision is. And yet here we are departing from that yet again. And I would ask
40:0340 minutes, 3 seconds what has changed? Well, we know we need a sewer plant. We know that's changed.
40:0840 minutes, 8 seconds But why are the areas being reconsidered and repurposed from what the original plan is? That's why you have a plan. You
40:1640 minutes, 16 seconds got community input on that plan. So, I would ask you to go back to the sort of this guidestone, this touchstone of having a long-term plan and put an
40:2540 minutes, 25 seconds industrial piece of equipment, a sewage treatment plant in an industrial zoned area. That just seems common sense to me. Um, I
40:3440 minutes, 34 seconds will uh piggyback on many of the comments that were shared earlier regarding the importance of transparency. I know that there's some
40:4240 minutes, 42 seconds federal money at play where there's a clock on that, but from everything I'm hearing, and again, the data has been
40:4940 minutes, 49 seconds very vague. You picking up news stories, but if this thing's going to cost 30 $40 million, a few hundred thousand or a million dollars from the federal
40:5740 minutes, 57 seconds government's not going to swing it one way or the other versus making a better decision. What's not clear and I think from from all the discussion is what
41:0541 minutes, 5 seconds technology are we actually thinking about during the sewage uh plant meeting they showed the circular I don't know
41:1341 minutes, 13 seconds what they're called vats whatever those whatever the the sewage goes into but these other technologies that are also available and I just don't know if those
41:2241 minutes, 22 seconds have really been considered we haven't heard a lot of comment from the public officials we've heard a lot of citizen comment on that so in conclusion Um,
41:3141 minutes, 31 seconds your technology decision should drive the decision because that'll determine how much land you need, where you can fit it, etc. Uh, and I do think that you
41:3941 minutes, 39 seconds need more time to ponder this, have a discussion about it. It should be as public as as you can make it because I
41:4641 minutes, 46 seconds think people, the good news is the community cares. They're out here.
41:4941 minutes, 49 seconds They're interested. They want to know what's going to happen. Um, in terms of transparency, last 15 seconds, the city council meetings minutes, believe it or
41:5741 minutes, 57 seconds not, are not on the agenda center. Like if you go on the website for the agenda center, the agenda is there. The minutes aren't. And I I was looking for them
42:0442 minutes, 4 seconds because I wanted to understand the history of what the discussions have been and I couldn't find them. I had to go digging around in another area. For some reason, they were there. So, Mr.
42:1342 minutes, 13 seconds Mayor, I'd ask that you work with your team to maybe get those placed there and there just have better information sharing around all these topics.
42:2042 minutes, 20 seconds Transparency is what you need. So, thank you.
42:2542 minutes, 25 seconds There's two that want to come up. So, um Okay. Okay.
42:3042 minutes, 30 seconds Michelle Collier, 453 Huntington Drive in, uh the beautiful Farmington Wood subdivision. Moved here about three and
42:3842 minutes, 38 seconds a half years ago with my husband to retire from Virginia, the hustle and bustle of the DC area and came here to
42:4642 minutes, 46 seconds have a nice quiet life. I agree with pretty much everything everyone here has said. Um, I know it has to be built
42:5342 minutes, 53 seconds somewhere, but not in our backyard. Not in any of these people's backyards, as a matter of fact. Not just ours, not in
43:0143 minutes, 1 second anyone's backyard. Um, I just have one question for you guys. Who on this board
43:0943 minutes, 9 seconds lives near site 13, 22, or 7? 42.
43:1643 minutes, 16 seconds All of you guys. And where do you stand on the issue? Still gathering information.
43:2643 minutes, 26 seconds Thank you. Lady back here. Come on up.
43:4143 minutes, 41 seconds Hello. I was not planning on talking today either. So, if you hear my heart racing, then I apologize. I'll use it to to time uh how much time I have. Um
43:5043 minutes, 50 seconds firstly I just name and address please.
43:5243 minutes, 52 seconds Oh yes thank you. Um Shannon Celigga 124 Pekka Drive in the Carver Creek community. Um so I just wanted to boil
44:0044 minutes it down to a personal level. Um just so you all know the impact. I mean everyone here is saying you know this is something that is affecting people's
44:0844 minutes, 8 seconds retirement, their livelihood um their dreams as a whole. Um this is something you know my husband and I um he grew up
44:1644 minutes, 16 seconds in Hendersonville. I've been out here for um about 12 years, so I feel like I get the honorary, you know, Nashillian badge at this point. Um but, you know,
44:2544 minutes, 25 seconds this is something we moved out to Lebanon about two years ago, almost three, I think, at this point. And um you know, this is where we plan on
44:3344 minutes, 33 seconds growing old. When we purchased our house, um we were like, "This is it." Like, we're going to get wrinkly here.
44:3844 minutes, 38 seconds This this is where it's happening. And um you know, we go on weekly dates downtown right in the town square. We
44:4544 minutes, 45 seconds got married at the Capitol Theater. Like this is a a city that I truly love. Um we talk to our friends all the time who are looking for a place to settle down.
44:5444 minutes, 54 seconds Like we have a you know it's the year of engagements, right? And so um just getting to be able to have that respect
45:0245 minutes, 2 seconds and that love for a city is something that I've been able to pride myself on personally and I know my husband feels the same. Um you know I'm a super
45:1045 minutes, 10 seconds organized person. I love a plan. I have been planning monthly how we're improving our house. Every single month we come up with like two tasks to do.
45:1945 minutes, 19 seconds And you know, this was just something that obviously none of us were expecting, especially with the expansion farther behind our houses. Like it
45:2745 minutes, 27 seconds really truly just covers that whole street there. Um, and it would just be, you know, such a a dream killer for so
45:3645 minutes, 36 seconds many of us um that have truly invested in this city and in our lives here. So that's all. Thank you. Thank you.
45:4645 minutes, 46 seconds Anyone else? We'll get you We'll get you next. Keep popping up.
45:5445 minutes, 54 seconds Yeah.
45:5545 minutes, 55 seconds And I'm I'm Greg Gibson and I live at 903 Larks Spur Lane in Farmington Woods.
46:0146 minutes, 1 second Um I'm I'm a little confused. We've got industrial areas, then we've got residential areas. Why even consider a
46:1046 minutes, 10 seconds residential area? That that makes no sense.
46:1446 minutes, 14 seconds That just baffles my mind unless there's some underlying motive behind that. Um I've retired out of the healthc care
46:2246 minutes, 22 seconds industry and I I knew what comp comes with chemicals and plants around folks.
46:2946 minutes, 29 seconds I'm from East Tennessee originally, so East Makodak, there's a lot of complications with those chemicals pumped up in the air. I've got an immune compromised granddaughter.
46:4046 minutes, 40 seconds I want her to come see me and be able to come into my home without any concern about long-term complications.
46:4846 minutes, 48 seconds So financial is one thing, but the human impact when you've got industrial areas
46:5646 minutes, 56 seconds that you could put this, use the industrial areas you have and spare these folks and their children and
47:0447 minutes, 4 seconds their grandchildren and their great-grandchildren the issues that can come from these chemicals and all this stuff that's going to be floating in the air.
47:1347 minutes, 13 seconds Please, this is not something that you could just flip a coin and say, "Hey, we're going to put it in this location." Look at the long-term impact. You got
47:2247 minutes, 22 seconds folks lives at at stake here. We've got to have water treatment. It's it's got to be here. But the concern is use the
47:3147 minutes, 31 seconds industrial site. You have TRW off Hartman. There's all kinds of places there. Empty buildings. Put it on an industrial area, not someone's backyard.
47:4147 minutes, 41 seconds So, thank you for your time. Thank you.
47:5447 minutes, 54 seconds Good evening. My name is Dana Tenbrink.
47:5647 minutes, 56 seconds I'm at 122 Pekker Drive in the Carver Creek community. I'm not standing here against Lebanon's growth and I'm not against the wastewater infrastructure
48:0348 minutes, 3 seconds our growing city needs. I'm asking our leaders to make sure we grow responsibly. This should not be about site 7 versus 13 or 22 or one
48:1248 minutes, 12 seconds neighborhood asking for this plant to be moved into someone else's backyard. We should a we should be asking whether major wastewater infrastructure belongs
48:2048 minutes, 20 seconds next to established residential neighborhoods at all. For site 13, our community's research identified approximately 286 homes within a half
48:2848 minutes, 28 seconds mile of the proposed site and approximately 115 Carver Creek homes within a quarter mile. Those aren't just numbers on a map. Those are families.
48:3648 minutes, 36 seconds Those are people who invested their savings into their homes. People raising children, retirees, and residents who choose Lebanon because they believed in
48:4348 minutes, 43 seconds this community. Once a wastewater treatment plant is built, this decision cannot easily be undone. I'm asking the city to prioritize industrial zoned
48:5148 minutes, 51 seconds areas and locations designed for this type of infrastructure. with meaningful separation from established neighborhoods.
48:5848 minutes, 58 seconds If there are industrial areas or other appropriately zoned locations available, I believe those alternatives deserve to be fully explored before placing this
49:0649 minutes, 6 seconds type of infrastructure behind people's homes. I respectfully ask our city leaders before choosing any of these sites, please fully consider the
49:1549 minutes, 15 seconds proximity to homes, potential impacts on property values and quality of life, environmental concerns, and whether there are alternatives that create less
49:2349 minutes, 23 seconds impact on Lebanon residents. Growth is necessary, wastewater infrastructure is necessary, but responsible planning
49:3049 minutes, 30 seconds means putting this infrastructure in the right place and protecting the people who already call Lebanon home. Thank you.
49:3749 minutes, 37 seconds Thank you. Anyone else?
49:5149 minutes, 51 seconds Derek Dodson 106 Chapman Drive. I rest my case. We want the sewer plant to go in Gallatton. As I said from the very
49:5749 minutes, 57 seconds beginning, full full disclosure, I spent my
50:0650 minutes, 6 seconds childhood summers nearly every day growing up next to the across the creek from the current sewer plant. And as you
50:1350 minutes, 13 seconds folks know, I'm permanently brain damaged. This is my This is my seventh
50:2050 minutes, 20 seconds turns out to be my seventh sewer plant site meeting for three of you. This is your first. So, this this is what you're
50:2750 minutes, 27 seconds going to see. I'd like to uh revisit and finish my comments from the last city council meeting with regard to the
50:3450 minutes, 34 seconds$100,000 to the expo center. Uh personal reference, uh my uncle was one of the three folks who were
50:4250 minutes, 42 seconds responsible for buying what's now the James E. Ward Agricultural Center. And uh as a kid, I called uh James E. Ward,
50:5150 minutes, 51 seconds Uncle Ward, although he really wasn't my uncle. uh in the year that a subset of county officials were trying to advance
50:5850 minutes, 58 seconds the then concept of an expo center. My position at the time was that such a center would not break even for many years and that the drivers of the expo
51:0651 minutes, 6 seconds center should tell the public the truth and also that they thought the expo center would be an asset for the county worthy of the shorter term financial
51:1451 minutes, 14 seconds hurdles. but instead that subset of county officials sought both silly and shady tactics to make it appear that an expo center was financially justified.
51:2451 minutes, 24 seconds The story of the advancement of the expo center into reality has some ugly documented facts attached including via city hall including facts I would not want to announce in a public meeting.
51:3451 minutes, 34 seconds Thereby the expo center deserved to have no financial reward contribution from this city. At the July 7th council
51:4251 minutes, 42 seconds meeting, Councelor Brian made a solid case for discontinuing the annual $100,000 contribution, followed by
51:4951 minutes, 49 seconds Councelor Morehead, whom listed a few immediate financial needs of the city, and he did it again on July the 21st. I
51:5851 minutes, 58 seconds suggest you go back and read those minutes of councelor Brian, councelor Morehead. In the future, I will weigh in on that topic incessantly if necessary
52:0852 minutes, 8 seconds and thereby disclosing why I didn't vote for the city budget. I say that tongue and cheek. Perhaps Lindsay's first
52:1652 minutes, 16 seconds brilliant move as the finance director was not paying this year that $100,000.
52:2452 minutes, 24 seconds The agenda packet tonight is 393 frigin pages without the minutes the
52:3252 minutes, 32 seconds last time I looked this afternoon. Maybe they're there now. I could understand why they were missing. Um anyway,
52:4052 minutes, 40 seconds whoever did all that work, that is incredibly impressive.
52:4552 minutes, 45 seconds Incredibly impressive. So, if you haven't looked through that 393 pages, folks, go look because it is uh something to behold.
52:5352 minutes, 53 seconds Thank you.
53:0653 minutes, 6 seconds John Langford, 152 Springfield Drive.
53:0953 minutes, 9 seconds Uh, first off, thank you for your service. Um, as someone who is an individual that's that is in the
53:1753 minutes, 17 seconds community, I've been on planning commission. I'm currently on Industrial Development Board and back in January, planning
53:2553 minutes, 25 seconds commission approved a new neighborhood where site 22 was.
53:3353 minutes, 33 seconds One of the things that I asked during the planning commission was what is the capacity of the current sewer system?
53:4153 minutes, 41 seconds And I was told 65%. Everything's fine. How did that change in two months?
53:4953 minutes, 49 seconds That's the one question that I want to know. And then another question, two of the three sites, I live smack dab in between them in
53:5853 minutes, 58 seconds Farmington and Woods where million-dollar homes are. And there are going to be other million-dollar homes
54:0554 minutes, 5 seconds on the new neighborhood that we, the planning commission that I was on, approved.
54:1254 minutes, 12 seconds How is that worse than a sewer plant?
54:1854 minutes, 18 seconds a sewer plant and a residential community. Tell me, how does that make sense?
54:2554 minutes, 25 seconds As city commission, you also have the opportunity to use imminent domain.
54:3254 minutes, 32 seconds There is empty land right next to where the current sewer plant is.
54:3954 minutes, 39 seconds You've looked at Rockwood. Rockwood is a willing seller.
54:4654 minutes, 46 seconds Yet we are looking at communities where we are all going to be surrounded by sewer.
54:5554 minutes, 55 seconds What do you think that will do to our million-dollar homes?
54:5954 minutes, 59 seconds That is a question that you need to answer because if our property value goes down, what else goes down? The
55:0855 minutes, 8 seconds property taxes. And we don't have the good property taxes. How can we play pay for the growth that is going to come forward? Those
55:1655 minutes, 16 seconds are the things that unfortunately you are tasked with as the city council. I know it's a hard decision. Please do
55:2555 minutes, 25 seconds what is right for our communities and for this city because growth is going to come. And one
55:3355 minutes, 33 seconds of the things that we've also looked at is if we do not fix this soon also the growth will leave.
55:4255 minutes, 42 seconds And then what will we be left with?
55:4455 minutes, 44 seconds Those are the hard questions. I don't have all the answers. Please do not put this in site 22 or site 13. Thank you.
55:5355 minutes, 53 seconds Thank you. Anyone else?
56:0756 minutes, 7 seconds My name is John Thirsten. I live at 16 Melly Court which is in Plantation South subdivision. My primary focus is on site
56:1656 minutes, 16 seconds 22. I've done some background watching and listening, attended a lot of the planning meetings when that whole area
56:2556 minutes, 25 seconds was being promoted as a housing development. And if I remember correctly, because I went
56:3356 minutes, 33 seconds to some of those planning commissions, your own staff recommended against that annexation.
56:4056 minutes, 40 seconds Council approved it anyway. There were all kinds of real estate agents in here, builders in here talking about the
56:4856 minutes, 48 seconds wonderful opportunity now to have employment to build new homes and to develop this area into wonderful living
56:5756 minutes, 57 seconds condition living area. As of last night,
57:0457 minutes, 4 seconds the ownership of at least a piece of that property has not changed hands.
57:1257 minutes, 12 seconds I'm wondering who in fact you are dealing with on the 150 acres on the west side of the road.
57:2257 minutes, 22 seconds According to the county's information that I got yesterday, it is still in the hands of the original owner.
57:3157 minutes, 31 seconds So, I have no idea whose property arrangements you're dealing with, but I think that needs to be part of the
57:3857 minutes, 38 seconds transparency. Are you going to build a sewer plant there or are you going to build homes? You going to generate income or you going to create further
57:4657 minutes, 46 seconds angst amongst the people who live in the area. I don't envy your position, but you've gotten yourselves into it, so have fun.
58:0258 minutes, 2 seconds Anyone else? There's There's a lady behind you, sir.
58:1458 minutes, 14 seconds There's a lady who just got up. Let's Let's let her go first, then.
58:2458 minutes, 24 seconds Bird.
58:2658 minutes, 26 seconds I live on the corner of Mockingbird and Oral. Been there since 1982. Raised two sons.
58:3658 minutes, 36 seconds They left in the morning after breakfast.
58:4058 minutes, 40 seconds They would chase crowdads and catch grasshoppers and fish in the creek.
58:4658 minutes, 46 seconds Great place to raise children. It's not a place for a sewer plant.
58:5358 minutes, 53 seconds But yet on the back side of Oral Drive is where one of the sites the city's considering for that. Two things.
59:0459 minutes, 4 seconds The people that are here, mo I guess some of them, most of them don't contribute to that waist stream.
59:1459 minutes, 14 seconds We do contribute to your taxes. We buy clothing. We buy food. We we uh buy gas
59:2159 minutes, 21 seconds in the city, but we don't vote for you. We can't. We don't vote against you or for you.
59:3059 minutes, 30 seconds Either one.
59:3259 minutes, 32 seconds And what they said about property values is exactly right. Do you know there are four widows living in Rolling Hills?
59:4259 minutes, 42 seconds One of them lives adjacent to that site.
59:4659 minutes, 46 seconds Two of them live across the street from it. Can you imagine what that's going to do to their property values?
59:5559 minutes, 55 seconds I ask you to consider that seriously.
59:5859 minutes, 58 seconds that sewer plant doesn't belong where there's families and homes and houses.
1:00:041 hour, 4 seconds Now, if it takes three years to build it, I'm probably not going to be here to worry about it, but the other people will.
1:00:141 hour, 14 seconds And it's not a fit place to put a sewer plant at all. Thank you. Thank you.
1:00:321 hour, 32 seconds My name is Susan Yola Canoyer. I was born and raised in Lebanon. Graduated from Lebanon High School. My mother taught right here at Castle Heights.
1:00:431 hour, 43 seconds My I went away uh to college and when I met my husband and we married, led our
1:00:491 hour, 49 seconds lives, we retired and we decided to come back to my home. to retire.
1:00:581 hour, 58 seconds I live at 202 Sagamore Drive in Farmington Woods.
1:01:051 hour, 1 minute, 5 seconds There's Creek right behind our house, which is the one evidently that's wants to be used for this wastewater plant.
1:01:131 hour, 1 minute, 13 seconds But when when we decided to come back here, I did not know I was going to come into this mess.
1:01:231 hour, 1 minute, 23 seconds I loved growing up here.
1:01:261 hour, 1 minute, 26 seconds I'm disappointed with the actions that have led to this.
1:01:361 hour, 1 minute, 36 seconds And I think from all of the people that have spoken that a lot of trust in our leaders, city leaders has been eroded.
1:01:481 hour, 1 minute, 48 seconds And I think you need to realize that you're here to represent the people. I'm not opposed to the wastewater plant. I know it has to be uh done.
1:02:011 hour, 2 minutes, 1 second But I was also curious as to why on site 13
1:02:091 hour, 2 minutes, 9 seconds an area was added afterwards after everything had been studied. It was added for extra acreage.
1:02:191 hour, 2 minutes, 19 seconds That is the area that is in all the residential areas.
1:02:251 hour, 2 minutes, 25 seconds New technology makes it possible to use strictly the Rockwood
1:02:311 hour, 2 minutes, 31 seconds area, industrial area or that and the old one. And I'm sorry, I
1:02:391 hour, 2 minutes, 39 seconds know it's getting late, but um I hear a lot about the Murersboro plant. That was that was in 2000. That's 25 years ago.
1:02:511 hour, 2 minutes, 51 seconds Why are you basing your your studies on technology that's that old? So much
1:02:581 hour, 2 minutes, 58 seconds progress has been made since then. And this is a very emotional time for these families
1:03:061 hour, 3 minutes, 6 seconds and these neighborhoods that you need to consider exactly what you're doing because everyone in all of
1:03:141 hour, 3 minutes, 14 seconds Lebanon needs to know that they can be next in line for something like this. Thank you.
1:03:221 hour, 3 minutes, 22 seconds Thank you. Anyone else?
1:03:421 hour, 3 minutes, 42 seconds Well, we we'll get you next, wasn't it? Okay.
1:03:471 hour, 3 minutes, 47 seconds My name is Rebecca Slo. My husband William and I own 323 Carver Lane which
1:03:541 hour, 3 minutes, 54 seconds is right next door to the vacant lot that is in question about being involved with the new sewer plant.
1:04:031 hour, 4 minutes, 3 seconds Um I did owe it everything everybody has
1:04:101 hour, 4 minutes, 10 seconds said but what somebody has not said uh
1:04:161 hour, 4 minutes, 16 seconds was you know we ourselves we have a garden and it's within 100 foot of that property line that's open.
1:04:261 hour, 4 minutes, 26 seconds We have neighbors who have chickens.
1:04:301 hour, 4 minutes, 30 seconds We have a garden that is within 100 feet of that property line.
1:04:411 hour, 4 minutes, 41 seconds If this new plant should spring a leak or if it should not and just the chemicals in the air, what's that going
1:04:491 hour, 4 minutes, 49 seconds to do with the chickens? What's that going to do with our ground where we're planting vegetables and stuff to make
1:04:571 hour, 4 minutes, 57 seconds our lunches and our dinners and our suppers? Everybody likes to eat, right?
1:05:061 hour, 5 minutes, 6 seconds I just don't see it. You have all this industrial area around town, around in the country.
1:05:151 hour, 5 minutes, 15 seconds Why do you want to make it in our city, in our neighborhoods, right next door?
1:05:241 hour, 5 minutes, 24 seconds We also have on a slope in our property where all the rainwater comes down and it goes down a wash that's on our
1:05:331 hour, 5 minutes, 33 seconds property that backs up into our yard where our yard kind of looks like a swamp area every time we have a bad rainstorm.
1:05:441 hour, 5 minutes, 44 seconds If that plant should spring a leak, what's that going to do? That is going to cause a big problem.
1:05:521 hour, 5 minutes, 52 seconds So, if the council wants to go ahead and put a plant there, our desire to grow a garden will cease.
1:06:041 hour, 6 minutes, 4 seconds I want to know where whose house we can pick up the vegetables that we won't be able to grow. Thank you.
1:06:121 hour, 6 minutes, 12 seconds Thank you.
1:06:231 hour, 6 minutes, 23 seconds Good evening. My name is Tim Freeman. I live at 403 Huntington Drive. And this is Lebanon. As you can see, everybody
1:06:301 hour, 6 minutes, 30 seconds here is not here to say anything against the sewer treatment plant. They're saying they don't want it in our
1:06:381 hour, 6 minutes, 38 seconds backyards. These are the people of Lebanon. We have all you have all been voted in office. You are our spokespeople.
1:06:451 hour, 6 minutes, 45 seconds These are the people telling you what it is that we want you and need you to do for us. Why are we not hearing from all of you?
1:06:551 hour, 6 minutes, 55 seconds Who's going to stand up for the health issues that are at risk for your people of Lebanon? For everybody that is here.
1:07:031 hour, 7 minutes, 3 seconds I love living in Lebanon. Lebanon is an incredible city. Keep Lebanon an incredible city. People talked about some of the city services. Lebanon is incredible. Why are we not hearing that?
1:07:141 hour, 7 minutes, 14 seconds Don't worry, we're not going to create a health hazard for our residents, for those who have voted us in office. Don't worry, we're Lebanon. We're going to
1:07:231 hour, 7 minutes, 23 seconds lead all the other cities. How come we're not hearing? We're bringing the best technology of to solve this sewer
1:07:291 hour, 7 minutes, 29 seconds issue. Who here has our back? You are supposed to be our your spokesperson for for all of us. Who's here representing our grandkids?
1:07:411 hour, 7 minutes, 41 seconds Who's here repres Who's here representing the retired people here?
1:07:451 hour, 7 minutes, 45 seconds Who's here? Who's going to have our back? Who's going to who which one of you is going to speak up for the young families that have come here to build their family?
1:07:551 hour, 7 minutes, 55 seconds Which of you can we count on you to make this right decision for us? We all understand that we need a we need a a sewer treatment plant, but we've also
1:08:041 hour, 8 minutes, 4 seconds understand we've heard that you've been known about it for 15 years.
1:08:081 hour, 8 minutes, 8 seconds Some of us are now in neighborhoods that were part of the development program, which now you want to put a sewer plant next to. Well, maybe you shouldn't
1:08:161 hour, 8 minutes, 16 seconds approved all those places because you knew you had a sewer plant to put in.
1:08:201 hour, 8 minutes, 20 seconds But the bottom line is here we are today. Who's going to stand up for us?
1:08:241 hour, 8 minutes, 24 seconds Who's going to stand up for our grandkids? For you, this is going to be a forever plant. This is not something that can be changed in five years. Oh, it didn't work there. Too many problems.
1:08:341 hour, 8 minutes, 34 seconds I really see so many problems for the city council with health issues with people talk about real estate issues.
1:08:401 hour, 8 minutes, 40 seconds But who here is going to be here for us, the people of Lebanon who have voted all of you into office. You're our voice.
1:08:491 hour, 8 minutes, 49 seconds You're hearing the voices of the people here in Lebanon. And I have a 22, but there's 13. There's seven. We're all here for all of the sites in the
1:08:571 hour, 8 minutes, 57 seconds neighborhoods. It does not belong in the neighborhood. It clearly doesn't.
1:09:011 hour, 9 minutes, 1 second There's too many. Just take forget about willing buyers and the money that's coming to you from the federal government and all the other deals that
1:09:091 hour, 9 minutes, 9 seconds are supposedly happening. It's about health. Health should be the number one issue. We should be guar hearing guarantees from you. We'll have the best
1:09:171 hour, 9 minutes, 17 seconds sewer system and we will not create a health hazard for our citizens because you would make us leave this wonderful city of Lebanon. Thank and thank you for
1:09:261 hour, 9 minutes, 26 seconds those of you who have been listening to our paying attention to our comments tonight.
1:09:361 hour, 9 minutes, 36 seconds Anyone else?
1:09:481 hour, 9 minutes, 48 seconds I'm Angie Alson and I live at 222 Suban Court. Um, I don't think I could say anything more that everyone hasn't hit
1:09:561 hour, 9 minutes, 56 seconds on tonight. Every single point I had, everybody's saying the same thing. I think what I want you to take away from
1:10:031 hour, 10 minutes, 3 seconds tonight is we have filled this building with concern. We have had a complete
1:10:101 hour, 10 minutes, 10 seconds lack of transparency from this council in decisions that affect everyone here,
1:10:161 hour, 10 minutes, 16 seconds their livelihood, their health, and everything else that everyone spoke to tonight. I think what we're asking you is radical transparency going forward.
1:10:281 hour, 10 minutes, 28 seconds We want to know that you have our best interests. You're representing us and that we can make good decisions on
1:10:361 hour, 10 minutes, 36 seconds growth for the future of the next 50, 60, 70 years.
1:10:421 hour, 10 minutes, 42 seconds That's it for me. I'm really proud tonight. I think this started at
1:10:491 hour, 10 minutes, 49 seconds the end of the last meeting on August 4th. A lot of us were blindsided by information. We've ran. we've, you know,
1:10:571 hour, 10 minutes, 57 seconds come together and you've heard it all tonight. Please take heed of that and do something better in the future.
1:11:131 hour, 11 minutes, 13 seconds Good evening.
1:11:141 hour, 11 minutes, 14 seconds My name is Brenda Bearinger and I live at 828 Brook Trail in beautiful Farmingwood subdivision. At least up
1:11:221 hour, 11 minutes, 22 seconds until this point in time, we came here to retire and make this town our home
1:11:301 hour, 11 minutes, 30 seconds forever until Jesus calls me home. And I believe that this town was the place that God actually did plant me because I prayed
1:11:381 hour, 11 minutes, 38 seconds about it a long time because I saw your sign. Eat, play, educate, be a part of a growing community. be a
1:11:461 hour, 11 minutes, 46 seconds part of a place where people want to let their children thrive and now I have to worry about children
1:11:541 hour, 11 minutes, 54 seconds smelling poop every day. I smell poop without having to go outside my house.
1:12:011 hour, 12 minutes, 1 second Why do I want to stand in my backyard and be smelling this all the time?
1:12:061 hour, 12 minutes, 6 seconds But even more importantly, I look at all of you and I see power. You and each and every one of you have the power to
1:12:141 hour, 12 minutes, 14 seconds change what is happening. None of these sites should be in residential. You have industrial land.
1:12:221 hour, 12 minutes, 22 seconds You have the power to make that happen.
1:12:241 hour, 12 minutes, 24 seconds Money. Are you really going to let greed overcome all of these people? When I see power here, it's these people that gave
1:12:311 hour, 12 minutes, 31 seconds it to you. And your future will all depend on what they decide to do.
1:12:371 hour, 12 minutes, 37 seconds How are we going to sell our homes when that time comes? And we need to our whole lives, 40 years, I worked in
1:12:461 hour, 12 minutes, 46 seconds health care to provide for the home that I would like to send down to my children. Do you think they want to live in a pool plant? I don't think so. And
1:12:561 hour, 12 minutes, 56 seconds none of these people do either. You've got land. You've all been voted in.
1:13:021 hour, 13 minutes, 2 seconds Mayor Bell, when I came here, I saw the things that you did and I was so excited about the progress you brought in this town. I commended you, but I'm
1:13:111 hour, 13 minutes, 11 seconds struggling tonight cuz I just don't see the transparency here. So, I'm going to leave you with the last thing that I know in my heart, and that is love your
1:13:201 hour, 13 minutes, 20 seconds neighbor as you love yourself, and do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
1:13:271 hour, 13 minutes, 27 seconds Thank you. Anyone else?
1:13:381 hour, 13 minutes, 38 seconds I know there are some people in the lobby who want to speak. So, um,
1:13:511 hour, 13 minutes, 51 seconds hi, I'm Katherine Isacson. I live at 1800 Horn Springs Road. And for those that don't know, I'm site 7, the
1:13:581 hour, 13 minutes, 58 seconds entrance to Horn Springs would face my house. So, um, like any logical person, I thought, what should I do? So, I
1:14:051 hour, 14 minutes, 5 seconds started a petition last week and met with some my neighbors. We currently have 534 people just word of mouth that
1:14:121 hour, 14 minutes, 12 seconds signed up in opposition to site 7. So, I'm going to read you a little excerpt from that because I always tell my kids, if you have a problem, you need to speak
1:14:201 hour, 14 minutes, 20 seconds up and use your voice. So, that's what I'm doing tonight.
1:14:231 hour, 14 minutes, 23 seconds So, the proposed location extends far beyond the city limits and designated urban growth boundaries. This move by the city indicates an unsolicited
1:14:311 hour, 14 minutes, 31 seconds expansion into areas that should remain protected from developments. Our rural setting with its wide open spaces,
1:14:391 hour, 14 minutes, 39 seconds peaceful retreats face the risk of becoming an industrial zone which would drastically alter the character of our community. Our site is zoned as rural
1:14:481 hour, 14 minutes, 48 seconds residential. Instead, there's a location currently available in the industrial zone across from the current sewer plant. We urge the city to reconsider
1:14:561 hour, 14 minutes, 56 seconds their plans and seek alternative sites for their sewage treatment facility that do not encroach upon rural residential zones. We believe that a solution exists
1:15:051 hour, 15 minutes, 5 seconds that addresses the city's infrastructure needs without compromising the integrity of our community. We would also like to encourage the city to review newer
1:15:141 hour, 15 minutes, 14 seconds technologies that are successfully being utilized in other cities. Thank you all so much for your time.
1:15:211 hour, 15 minutes, 21 seconds Thank you.
1:15:381 hour, 15 minutes, 38 seconds Thank you.
1:15:431 hour, 15 minutes, 43 seconds Good evening. My name is Alexandra Lart and I live at 415 Huntington Drive in Lebanon and I live in Farmington Woods.
1:15:541 hour, 15 minutes, 54 seconds My husband and I moved here a year ago from California and we chose Tennessee
1:16:011 hour, 16 minutes, 1 second because we loved the state and we chose Lebanon because we fell in love with the
1:16:081 hour, 16 minutes, 8 seconds city. putting a uh water waste treatment plant in our neighborhood
1:16:161 hour, 16 minutes, 16 seconds I think is not the right decision. And one of the things I want to uh state just for health reasons, I'm a nurse.
1:16:261 hour, 16 minutes, 26 seconds I've been a nurse for over 30 years. I'm also a Navy veteran and my husband is an Army veteran. Um, if you remember in
1:16:351 hour, 16 minutes, 35 seconds California, there's a very famous movie called Aaron Brochovich. If you all know that movie, there was a town Hinckley
1:16:441 hour, 16 minutes, 44 seconds that was eventually P Genie was sued for the health reasons. So, I am wanting to
1:16:511 hour, 16 minutes, 51 seconds remind the council that if a sewage plant were to go in a neighborhood and
1:16:581 hour, 16 minutes, 58 seconds cause health issues, are you prepared for any lawsuits that may come your way?
1:17:051 hour, 17 minutes, 5 seconds That um particular they uh that settlement was 333 million. I just wanted to remind you of that. Thank you.
1:17:161 hour, 17 minutes, 16 seconds I say no to site 13, no to site 22, and no to site 7. Thank you very much.
1:17:231 hour, 17 minutes, 23 seconds Thank you.
1:17:451 hour, 17 minutes, 45 seconds Hi, I'm Jennifer Houston. I live at 216 Suben Court. I live in the Carver Creek subdivision. I'm 8 houses down from site
1:17:531 hour, 17 minutes, 53 seconds 13 plus. There are going to be hundreds of homes from Carver Creek, Carver Lane, Aama Drive, and Madrid Drive that will have the sewer plant hundreds of feet
1:18:001 hour, 18 minutes away from their homes. It will be visible from my living room. Talk about relaxing. A lot of us will have it in their front and backyards. We all bought
1:18:081 hour, 18 minutes, 8 seconds a house in Lebanon for a reason. We understand a new sewer plant is needed, but please reconsider and not put it within established neighborhoods. There
1:18:161 hour, 18 minutes, 16 seconds are a lot of us like myself that work from home and are concerned about the odor and health issues. Those that work, those of us that work at home will never get a break from it. We also don't want
1:18:241 hour, 18 minutes, 24 seconds to give up getting to go outside during the warmer months because of odors. I know people will say just move, but that's easier said than done. I love
1:18:311 hour, 18 minutes, 31 seconds where I live and it breaks my heart thinking of a new plant possibly going in next to my home. Since finding out Carver Lane was added to site 13, it has
1:18:401 hour, 18 minutes, 40 seconds been a heartbreaking nightmare. Please consider removing site 13 and all other residential sites from the list. You have industrial sites that can be used.
1:18:491 hour, 18 minutes, 49 seconds Carver Creek started a petition a week ago and we have 610 signatures as of a few minutes ago. If you're wondering why so many of us are wearing red today, it's because we're all banded together.
1:19:001 hour, 19 minutes None of us from any of these sites deserve to have this in their back or front yards. PS. To the red solo cup person, you rock. If you know, you know.
1:19:151 hour, 19 minutes, 15 seconds Um, is there anyone else in the lobby? Okay.
1:19:211 hour, 19 minutes, 21 seconds All right. Thank you. I I can't see, so
1:19:371 hour, 19 minutes, 37 seconds Go ahead. Right there at the podium. No, right there. No. No, sir.
1:19:451 hour, 19 minutes, 45 seconds Yeah.
1:19:481 hour, 19 minutes, 48 seconds My name's Randy Douglas. I'm a United Methodist pastor and retired here in
1:19:551 hour, 19 minutes, 55 seconds Lebanon six years ago. My wife and I, Gail, moved here. Uh we live on uh 314
1:20:021 hour, 20 minutes, 2 seconds Madrid Drive which uh literally site 13 is in our backyard and
1:20:101 hour, 20 minutes, 10 seconds uh there's a road that goes off the culde-sac past our house into site 13 and it would
1:20:191 hour, 20 minutes, 19 seconds be uh we just want to let everybody know that uh we are opposed to the treatment
1:20:271 hour, 20 minutes, 27 seconds plant being in our backyard and all the other sites that have been that people are opposed to here today, please choose another site. Thank you.
1:20:381 hour, 20 minutes, 38 seconds Thank you.
1:21:081 hour, 21 minutes, 8 seconds So, I hope my my nerves don't lay down on me. We moved to Lebanon. I'm Gail Douglas.
1:21:151 hour, 21 minutes, 15 seconds We live on 314 Madrid Drive. When you say that the site 13 is in your backyard, it is in my backyard.
1:21:251 hour, 21 minutes, 25 seconds Literally in my backyard.
1:21:281 hour, 21 minutes, 28 seconds We came before this council five years ago and protested about the
1:21:361 hour, 21 minutes, 36 seconds uh apartments that were going to go in and it was pushed through and then the all of a sudden the work stops and we
1:21:441 hour, 21 minutes, 44 seconds had dynamite in our backyard hitting our house, hitting our garage
1:21:501 hour, 21 minutes, 50 seconds and now they say that the um plan went bankrupt. So, Mayor Bell, I'm wondering,
1:21:581 hour, 21 minutes, 58 seconds I've heard a rumor that you have family that is um with the bank that owns the money that is due for the bankruptcy.
1:22:101 hour, 22 minutes, 10 seconds If that's true, you need to excuse yourself on voting on this issue because you can't be fair. It's not bankrupt.
1:22:181 hour, 22 minutes, 18 seconds It's not bankrupt. Okay.
1:22:231 hour, 22 minutes, 23 seconds Well, whatever happened to it, it fell apart. And it seemed like it was poor planning then. And having this issue
1:22:311 hour, 22 minutes, 31 seconds pushed through again seems like it's poor planning again. Guys, we don't need a sewer plant in our backyard in a
1:22:391 hour, 22 minutes, 39 seconds residential area when there's plenty of places here in town that is zoned for um
1:22:491 hour, 22 minutes, 49 seconds what is it? Industrial use.
1:22:541 hour, 22 minutes, 54 seconds And as a registered nurse, I'm just really concerned about the the wastewater and all the environmental
1:23:001 hour, 23 minutes impacts, not only for us, but for our kids and our grandkids. That's going to be irreversible.
1:23:081 hour, 23 minutes, 8 seconds Thank you. Thank you.
1:23:281 hour, 23 minutes, 28 seconds Hello, my name is Karen Akan Williams. I live at 398 Huntington Drive. Um, I just
1:23:341 hour, 23 minutes, 34 seconds believe that there is solidarity in numbers. Um,
1:23:411 hour, 23 minutes, 41 seconds I do not want any of the sewer plants or the wastewater treatment facilities near community neighborhoods. Um, I am a
1:23:511 hour, 23 minutes, 51 seconds immune compromised individual. Not only that, I am also an educator. If I get sick and then I go to school, if I have
1:23:591 hour, 23 minutes, 59 seconds to work, you know, I think that's more split spread of disease. Um, I also speak with my family. My husband is a
1:24:061 hour, 24 minutes, 6 seconds veteran. We've moved all different places and to come back and ready to settle here. The things that my husband
1:24:141 hour, 24 minutes, 14 seconds has seen, the things that we've had to endure just being in the military and going to various places, you know, we'd like to enjoy
1:24:221 hour, 24 minutes, 22 seconds kind of the fruits of our labor, the things that we've worked for. And I just don't think that the wastewater treatment facility in our neighborhood
1:24:301 hour, 24 minutes, 30 seconds would be good for us or any of the communities around. Thank you. Thank you.
1:24:531 hour, 24 minutes, 53 seconds How are y'all doing? I don't really have anything prepared.
1:25:001 hour, 25 minutes It's funny though. I think I've learned a few things tonight.
1:25:051 hour, 25 minutes, 5 seconds It seems as though I got a letter five years ago about a neighborhood going to be built behind my home. I live at 490 Plantation Boulevard.
1:25:161 hour, 25 minutes, 16 seconds That didn't happen.
1:25:181 hour, 25 minutes, 18 seconds And I think I understood a gentleman earlier to say, well, actually the neighborhood they had contacted I thought about a park of some kind. None of that happened.
1:25:311 hour, 25 minutes, 31 seconds Now we're looking at a sewer system and I I don't know anything about a sewer system really except it's just below the gutter.
1:25:421 hour, 25 minutes, 42 seconds And I can't imagine what that would do as it's literally site 22 is literally in my backyard on the other side of the fence row.
1:25:531 hour, 25 minutes, 53 seconds It makes me wonder why we're pushing that area so hard and it does affect a lot of people
1:26:021 hour, 26 minutes, 2 seconds and I used to live on South Beckwith Road 2000.
1:26:091 hour, 26 minutes, 9 seconds They brought in Providence. Okay, we dealt with it because we had an escape route to the interstate.
1:26:161 hour, 26 minutes, 16 seconds Then they started building neighborhoods on quarter acre lots all the way around it.
1:26:231 hour, 26 minutes, 23 seconds And by the time I got out of there, I got half of what that property was worth six years previous.
1:26:331 hour, 26 minutes, 33 seconds And the people that bought it now, they're building 600 homes behind it that are all rental homes.
1:26:411 hour, 26 minutes, 41 seconds And they're asking me, "What do you do?" And I said, "Just mow closer or further away from the fence row." You know, they want to take the fence road down. cut their privacy.
1:26:521 hour, 26 minutes, 52 seconds So, the other day, maybe it's a month ago, I get a reassessment on my property.
1:27:001 hour, 27 minutes Staggering, by the way. I didn't get a letter on the septic coming in, but I got a letter on the park and I got a
1:27:081 hour, 27 minutes, 8 seconds letter on the neighborhood. Maybe I missed it in the mail.
1:27:131 hour, 27 minutes, 13 seconds So they assess my property for a quarter of a million dollars more than a recent comp
1:27:211 hour, 27 minutes, 21 seconds and they say, "Well, that's good. Your property value's gone up. It hadn't gone up that much. And the property value is going up.
1:27:291 hour, 27 minutes, 29 seconds That's good." No, it's not. If if you sell your property, you make a lateral move. Big deal. You didn't benefit anything.
1:27:381 hour, 27 minutes, 38 seconds And when I was down there debating what my property was worth with some comps that I'd gotten through some realtors, I
1:27:461 hour, 27 minutes, 46 seconds told them one of the real problems I had the data that they use or the data depending on where you're from was
1:27:531 hour, 27 minutes, 53 seconds that's what they use data. Well, obviously it's no good. You need to reassess your data.
1:28:001 hour, 28 minutes Thank you, sir.
1:28:031 hour, 28 minutes, 3 seconds Your your time's up. Thank you. I meant to tell you I'm acoustically challenged. Sorry. Sorry, but your time is up.
1:28:101 hour, 28 minutes, 10 seconds Okay. Well, but we do need your name for the record, please. Need your name for the record. For the record.
1:28:191 hour, 28 minutes, 19 seconds Everybody says this doesn't make any sense. They need your name. My name? I thought I didn't give it. Wilson Welshand's the deaf guyation.
1:28:281 hour, 28 minutes, 28 seconds I appreciate it. I appreciate it. Thank you so much.
1:28:341 hour, 28 minutes, 34 seconds doesn't make sense. Neither does thousands of multi-unit houses across the street from a car.
1:28:401 hour, 28 minutes, 40 seconds Thank Thank you. Thank you.
1:28:511 hour, 28 minutes, 51 seconds Everybody know save the best for last, right? Um, this has been going on for a while. We
1:29:001 hour, 29 minutes name it. Sorry. Philip Donell 914 Maple Hill Road. I know y'all know me. Some of y'all might not, but I'm I'm next to
1:29:061 hour, 29 minutes, 6 seconds site 22. I'm just north. Site 22 is my aunt and uncle's part of the farm. But um I guess really what I want to address
1:29:141 hour, 29 minutes, 14 seconds is um the potential for other sites. I was at most of the sewer committee meetings and
1:29:221 hour, 29 minutes, 22 seconds uh I'm going to have to throw Mr. Lane under the bus because at the last meeting he said he felt like there was
1:29:281 hour, 29 minutes, 28 seconds more questions that were brought up than that needed more investigation, you know, that that needed to really be
1:29:361 hour, 29 minutes, 36 seconds looked into. And I kind of feel that's that's where we are. Uh Jeff Baines was quoted in the newspaper saying, you
1:29:441 hour, 29 minutes, 44 seconds know, we were put in charge of trying to find sites, not technology. And so I did a Google search today the uh most recent
1:29:521 hour, 29 minutes, 52 seconds sewer treatment plant in the United States and it came back from Green Greenfield, California.
1:29:591 hour, 29 minutes, 59 seconds And um I talked to the director of public works there today and she uh was
1:30:061 hour, 30 minutes, 6 seconds very forthcoming with information and she connected me with the company that's doing the membrane bioreactors and I
1:30:151 hour, 30 minutes, 15 seconds don't know necess necessarily if that is something that would work here but I I think that we really need to to at least
1:30:241 hour, 30 minutes, 24 seconds check into that find out if TEC would approve it. there there's still so many variables. You know, we we had the
1:30:311 hour, 30 minutes, 31 seconds matrix and that was fine and dandy and it got us down to three sites, but is that really, you know, the end all be
1:30:401 hour, 30 minutes, 40 seconds all for for what Lebanon needs moving forward? And um it it's it's going to be a heavy burden and and I I realize that
1:30:481 hour, 30 minutes, 48 seconds that September 30th deadline is looming, but I think we just need to pay stupid tax on that. Let's just forget that and
1:30:571 hour, 30 minutes, 57 seconds and really talk to the community and and and work sessions. Let's not worry about that little bit of money because in the
1:31:051 hour, 31 minutes, 5 seconds long run where we're going, we need to have a a good fit for everybody. Thank you.
1:31:151 hour, 31 minutes, 15 seconds Anyone else? One more. Sorry. Okay. Sorry. Cobalt, 1695 Horn Springs Road.
1:31:221 hour, 31 minutes, 22 seconds If you look around, everybody here is here for the same reason. We all live in a residential area that you want to put
1:31:291 hour, 31 minutes, 29 seconds a sewer system in. It's curious to me that all the sites that were looked at, the three that remain are all residential.
1:31:381 hour, 31 minutes, 38 seconds I don't know what's going on there, but nobody wants that. We're all here for the same reason. And you small group of
1:31:441 hour, 31 minutes, 44 seconds people hold all of our homes, our livelihoods, our futures in
1:31:521 hour, 31 minutes, 52 seconds your hands. Do the right thing. Let's find a res a non-residential site, an industrial area. We've got to have one.
1:32:021 hour, 32 minutes, 2 seconds There's got to be one industrial area in Lebanon that works. Do the right thing.
1:32:071 hour, 32 minutes, 7 seconds Put yourself in our shoes. Put yourself in our backyards and do the right thing.
1:32:161 hour, 32 minutes, 16 seconds Thank you. Anyone else? We're good. The lobby. They're good. Okay, they're good in the lobby. Okay.
1:32:251 hour, 32 minutes, 25 seconds All right. Um, seeing none, we'll move on to um we'll move on to my comments.
1:32:301 hour, 32 minutes, 30 seconds And um uh before I speak on the issue that everyone's been talking about, I do have one announcement um to make. Um
1:32:391 hour, 32 minutes, 39 seconds a few meetings ago, uh the city council um approved a design review committee uh
1:32:461 hour, 32 minutes, 46 seconds to um a group of citizens who can um look at uh building standards in the
1:32:521 hour, 32 minutes, 52 seconds Hartman Drive overlay and um and so uh so tonight I'm going to announce three people uh to be members of that committee. Uh the first one is Will
1:33:011 hour, 33 minutes, 1 second Hager. Will Hager lives in W three and Will is a professional uh city planner.
1:33:071 hour, 33 minutes, 7 seconds He works in the private sector now, but he's a big part of our community and uh he's agreed to to serve on that. So that committee. So I appreciate Will for
1:33:151 hour, 33 minutes, 15 seconds agreeing to do that. Um the second one is Casey Monet. He sits in Ward 4. Ward four is neighborhood that that borders
1:33:231 hour, 33 minutes, 23 seconds the Hartman Drive overlay. And um so I felt it was appropriate for her. She's in in in the design world and has worked in the construction world for a long
1:33:311 hour, 33 minutes, 31 seconds time. And so I appreciate Casey. And the third member is Larry Meiselle. Uh Larry
1:33:371 hour, 33 minutes, 37 seconds lives in Ward One and he is retired um a retired city planner. He's worked in cities throughout the southeast uh in that world and has a lot of expertise.
1:33:481 hour, 33 minutes, 48 seconds Um so um so now I'm officially uh naming those three people to the Zview committee. So I want to thank the city council for approving that. I want to
1:33:561 hour, 33 minutes, 56 seconds thank council Bernie for sponsoring. And I think that's a very important committee uh for the future going forward and um and u I think a lot of
1:34:041 hour, 34 minutes, 4 seconds great work will be done by that committee. Um so um before I talk tonight on um about
1:34:141 hour, 34 minutes, 14 seconds the the sewer plant uh Steve Jones is here. Uh he's works for water management. He's a consultant. He's exofficial member of the the site
1:34:221 hour, 34 minutes, 22 seconds selection committee. uh he's also a member of our infrastructure committee uh which has played a a a role in in
1:34:301 hour, 34 minutes, 30 seconds this process as well. So Steve, can you can you stop the podium and um and after I ask Steve some questions um Steve's
1:34:381 hour, 34 minutes, 38 seconds going to stay around? I have some comments, but if the council if you have any questions um when I'm finished, you know, Steve's here here as well. Um so
1:34:471 hour, 34 minutes, 47 seconds Steve, you know, there's there's been a lot of talk about technology. Can you talk about the operation of the plant, the the functionality of it and
1:34:551 hour, 34 minutes, 55 seconds and sort of how how we got that point?
1:34:591 hour, 34 minutes, 59 seconds Yeah. So, so everybody keeps bringing up different technologies and there are different technologies, but when we boil down what
1:35:061 hour, 35 minutes, 6 seconds happens in a water reclamation facility, we utilize biological processes and we feed those biological processes the
1:35:151 hour, 35 minutes, 15 seconds incoming uh waist stream and we add air to it and that air allows the biology within these
1:35:221 hour, 35 minutes, 22 seconds tanks to break this these constituents down, BOD, ammonia and other things that we have in there.
1:35:291 hour, 35 minutes, 29 seconds There are ways that we can hold more biology in a tank. Um, sorry, I'm trying not to have an echo here. Um, so there
1:35:381 hour, 35 minutes, 38 seconds are ways that we can hold more biology in a tank. Membranes are one way. With a membrane system, you can hold up to about 10,000 what we refer to as mixed
1:35:451 hour, 35 minutes, 45 seconds liquor. That's a measurement on how we tell uh what the solids concentration in a tank is. um with with uh the MBBR
1:35:541 hour, 35 minutes, 54 seconds which has been around since the 1980s, we can hold about 5,000 mix liquor uh down to the type of technology that's at the existing treatment plant now, which
1:36:021 hour, 36 minutes, 2 seconds is about 2500 to 3,000 mix liquor. So, with going with these type of technologies, you can get a smaller
1:36:101 hour, 36 minutes, 10 seconds footprint for the aerobic portion of the treatment plant. Uh with membranes, we can also eliminate things like clarifiers. Uh but all of these things
1:36:181 hour, 36 minutes, 18 seconds have a cost and so our job as the consultants uh for the city of Lebanon is to help look at I feel like two things. Number one is reliability.
1:36:271 hour, 36 minutes, 27 seconds Always reliability because everyone wants this plant to operate continuously 247 365 days a year. And so having
1:36:361 hour, 36 minutes, 36 seconds reliable technology is in my opinion the most important thing because if the treatment plant stops working where's
1:36:431 hour, 36 minutes, 43 seconds this flow going to go? And so we look at reliability and then we look at cost because cost is the second factor that
1:36:511 hour, 36 minutes, 51 seconds we look at because this is rateayer funds. This is the the rateayers of the city of Lebanon on the sewer system that have to pay for these treatment systems.
1:37:001 hour, 37 minutes And when I look at something like a membrane for example, u I've got a quote um in my office right
1:37:071 hour, 37 minutes, 7 seconds now for a membrane system. U for the membrane system to replace the clarifiers, it's about twice the capital
1:37:141 hour, 37 minutes, 14 seconds cost. The membranes also have a lifespan of 8 to 10 years.
1:37:191 hour, 37 minutes, 19 seconds So whereas a clarifier has a motor in the center of it, probably get 40 years out of that motor,
1:37:271 hour, 37 minutes, 27 seconds uh every 10 years we're going to replace membranes. If it already costs twice as much and then every 10 years we're replacing it, there's a significant cost there. So when we sit down with the
1:37:361 hour, 37 minutes, 36 seconds utilities director and the util and the plant uh management staff and we go through this and with the mayor and council, what we do is we lay out these
1:37:441 hour, 37 minutes, 44 seconds different options. What's reliable? What does it cost? what's that end cost going to be on the rateayers? Uh and that's
1:37:521 hour, 37 minutes, 52 seconds how we get to these decisions. We have looked at this technology. I have 14 different cost estimates that involve different combinations
1:38:011 hour, 38 minutes, 1 second of technologies that can be utilized uh to build a treatment facility uh to support the continued growth of the city
1:38:081 hour, 38 minutes, 8 seconds of Lebanon. Uh while that information's not all been shared at the previous meetings talking about land, that is the information that we used to make the
1:38:171 hour, 38 minutes, 17 seconds recommendations for minimum acreage not only for what needs to be built today but to accommodate future expansion and
1:38:251 hour, 38 minutes, 25 seconds create a good buffer so that people don't back directly up to and look into a facility.
1:38:331 hour, 38 minutes, 33 seconds Um so with with so uh so um so with the operation of plant
1:38:431 hour, 38 minutes, 43 seconds I know there's some some indoor parts of it. So what what is the indoor part?
1:38:471 hour, 38 minutes, 47 seconds Uh so generally in order to mitigate any odor concerns we are going to enclose the headworks. Uh so that's the initial
1:38:551 hour, 38 minutes, 55 seconds location that all flow comes into from the collection system. Uh, and from there we're going to all the anorobic and anoxic basins. Uh, we're going to
1:39:031 hour, 39 minutes, 3 seconds have those covered and we're going to collect that air and we're going to collect all of the air off of any solids processing facilities. Uh, and those are
1:39:121 hour, 39 minutes, 12 seconds the tanks that have generate the most odor concerns. Uh, and so we'll collect that air. We'll run those through combination scrubbers that use
1:39:201 hour, 39 minutes, 20 seconds biological uh with a carbon cap on top of them to to make sure that we mitigate over concerns.
1:39:281 hour, 39 minutes, 28 seconds Um now I have another question too. Um so as as you know there's been a lot of questions about tonight about um you
1:39:381 hour, 39 minutes, 38 seconds know deep dive studies into properties and and things like that. So what what are the next steps? what as
1:39:471 hour, 39 minutes, 47 seconds far as studying properties, how long that takes that process?
1:39:501 hour, 39 minutes, 50 seconds Yes, sir. Uh so right now with the three properties that uh we've been asked to look further into, uh we're waiting uh we're working with the city and waiting
1:39:591 hour, 39 minutes, 59 seconds on getting right of access or right of entry to those properties so that we can do environmental site assessments uh see what kind of material is possibly on a
1:40:071 hour, 40 minutes, 7 seconds site uh if it's in an industrial area especially uh and do geotechnical investigation to see what kind of challenges there are. you know, what's
1:40:151 hour, 40 minutes, 15 seconds the depth to bedrock? Are there any sinkhole concerns or any challenges like that that need to be taken into account that would make it more difficult to
1:40:231 hour, 40 minutes, 23 seconds build a facility or dictate where a facility would be located on a piece of property that would move it closer to a property line that's trying to be avoided?
1:40:321 hour, 40 minutes, 32 seconds How long how long do you estimate that?
1:40:351 hour, 40 minutes, 35 seconds Um, it'll be at least 90 days after we get right of entry. Uh I talked to an environmental firm today that would uh could do the geotechnical uh work and by
1:40:451 hour, 40 minutes, 45 seconds the time we have right of entry it'll take them about 30 days to get mobilized and on site uh a week to do the testing
1:40:521 hour, 40 minutes, 52 seconds and then they'll have to write their report and send it back to us. So right now I wouldn't expect to have that until after the first of the year. So,
1:41:001 hour, 41 minutes anything is presented to council, they'll take for a for a work session to discuss anything going forward because they need all the information they can possibly get. That takes 90 days.
1:41:121 hour, 41 minutes, 12 seconds Yes.
1:41:121 hour, 41 minutes, 12 seconds Okay. And that's a full complete study of those properties and all aspects of
1:41:191 hour, 41 minutes, 19 seconds land cost um every everything you think of, right? Yes. Absolutely. Okay. All right. Thank you.
1:41:281 hour, 41 minutes, 28 seconds Okay. All right.
1:41:301 hour, 41 minutes, 30 seconds You can go sit down. If other people have questions, I'll I'm sure they'll ask.
1:41:341 hour, 41 minutes, 34 seconds It's sir, sir. Public comments. It's It's our It's our turn to talk. I I understand that, ma'am. But but it's
1:41:421 hour, 41 minutes, 42 seconds it's it's it's still it's our turn to talk and and I'm sure all of us have
1:41:481 hour, 41 minutes, 48 seconds some things we want to say. So um so um the first thing I want to say is that
1:41:551 hour, 41 minutes, 55 seconds you know there are as as service said there are seven elected officials sitting sitting back here. Um and I I I
1:42:041 hour, 42 minutes, 4 seconds want to I want to make sure everyone knows that there's no one back here
1:42:131 hour, 42 minutes, 13 seconds this decision lightly. I I can assure you of that. Um, everyone back here takes this job
1:42:201 hour, 42 minutes, 20 seconds seriously. Um, they um
1:42:281 hour, 42 minutes, 28 seconds they they focus on all the issues of or of all aspects of every issue that we vote on up here. Um, and this one
1:42:361 hour, 42 minutes, 36 seconds obviously is a big issue. Um, it's a big issue for us and it's obviously an important issue for you. In fact, um,
1:42:441 hour, 42 minutes, 44 seconds and and I've said this several times publicly, um, and I'll say it again and and his name is mentioned earlier, uh,
1:42:511 hour, 42 minutes, 51 seconds Jeff Baines. He used to be our commissioner of public works. He was over our utility department for 30 years. Um, and he has served as chair of the site selection committee.
1:43:021 hour, 43 minutes, 2 seconds Um, not long after I took office, we sat down and and and he told me that that that
1:43:091 hour, 43 minutes, 9 seconds this was something that that we were we were going to we were going to face. Um, and he said, um, it's the most important
1:43:181 hour, 43 minutes, 18 seconds decision that you will make as as as a city, but it's also going to be the most controversial.
1:43:251 hour, 43 minutes, 25 seconds Um, the important part of it is, and and and several of you have spoken on this, but but I I do want to reiterate this plant we have now was built in 1963.
1:43:391 hour, 43 minutes, 39 seconds Um, and through those years, there have been upgrades to it. There have been, you know, there there has been work done
1:43:461 hour, 43 minutes, 46 seconds on it. There's there's there's no doubt about that. Um, but we're at a point to where
1:43:541 hour, 43 minutes, 54 seconds patching it up no longer works. Um, and and I know most people got to the podium and and said, you know, that you
1:44:021 hour, 44 minutes, 2 seconds understand that that we we need a new facility and and I I appreciate that.
1:44:071 hour, 44 minutes, 7 seconds Um, but you know, I know people have reached out to me about about growth and uh, somebody did send an email, I think, to
1:44:141 hour, 44 minutes, 14 seconds all of us, maybe it was all of us, maybe it's just to me, about leaks in our pipes and and things like that and and and we should focus on those areas
1:44:231 hour, 44 minutes, 23 seconds first. But and I I want to repeat what um Jeremiah Exom, he's our plant manager, he's not here tonight, but he
1:44:301 hour, 44 minutes, 30 seconds said this at a previous meeting um that if we
1:44:381 hour, 44 minutes, 38 seconds if tomorrow we said all building stops, no more buildings in Lebanon,
1:44:451 hour, 44 minutes, 45 seconds and if we went out and fixed every pipe and every leak, which we work on them all the time, but if that was 100%
1:44:551 hour, 44 minutes, 55 seconds we would still need a new plant because it is is basically too old. It is a um
1:45:031 hour, 45 minutes, 3 seconds um it's like any old piece of machinery, anything anybody's business or anything else. It comes a point to where
1:45:111 hour, 45 minutes, 11 seconds you just can't put enough money at it to make it work. At some point you have to you have to create something new and and
1:45:191 hour, 45 minutes, 19 seconds that's where we are. But and I I do want I do want to talk about growth for a minute and I want to brag on the council
1:45:261 hour, 45 minutes, 26 seconds here and and the work that they do. Um
1:45:341 hour, 45 minutes, 34 seconds they they take a really serious view of growth in this city, particularly residential growth.
1:45:441 hour, 45 minutes, 44 seconds Over the past six years, they have voted to place over 30 new regulations on developers.
1:45:541 hour, 45 minutes, 54 seconds Um, those regulations are are designed to make whatever is built here better, but I I can assure you there's a lot of
1:46:021 hour, 46 minutes, 2 seconds people who don't want to build those regulations and they go somewhere else.
1:46:091 hour, 46 minutes, 9 seconds Just about a little over a little less than a year ago, this council voted to tighten up our zoning code. And what's
1:46:171 hour, 46 minutes, 17 seconds important about that is is that every property inside our city has a zone. And every property owner has a right to
1:46:251 hour, 46 minutes, 25 seconds build what that zone allows as long as they follow our regulations.
1:46:301 hour, 46 minutes, 30 seconds And so what was important about Taipat zoning code was we increased our regulations. we increase our guidelines.
1:46:371 hour, 46 minutes, 37 seconds So even though they have the right to build and we can't stop them because they have that legal right, we can tighten up
1:46:461 hour, 46 minutes, 46 seconds there and this council did that. Um a really good way to to control or
1:46:541 hour, 46 minutes, 54 seconds manage growth is through uh looking hard at annexations. And um
1:47:021 hour, 47 minutes, 2 seconds and I understand there was annexation several months ago on Maple Road for for a subdivision.
1:47:081 hour, 47 minutes, 8 seconds Um but but I want to say this council as a whole throughout the city has really taken a
1:47:161 hour, 47 minutes, 16 seconds tight view of annexations especially residential annexations. Um we've created annexation committee which is
1:47:241 hour, 47 minutes, 24 seconds the first step that someone has to go to if they want to request annexation. uh which is a um uh a committee takes that
1:47:311 hour, 47 minutes, 31 seconds very seriously. Um um councelor proud serves on that committee as part of his role in the
1:47:381 hour, 47 minutes, 38 seconds planning commission. Um and that's somebody takes that seriously. There's there's a lot of steps somebody has to go through before they get to the point
1:47:461 hour, 47 minutes, 46 seconds to even get to here. And um a lot of times people don't get here, but if they do, they have the right to be heard and
1:47:541 hour, 47 minutes, 54 seconds they have right for a decision to be made. and this council um you know over the past several years
1:48:021 hour, 48 minutes, 2 seconds um it has been rare to have an annexation um for for residential development and I I say that understanding there was one on Maple
1:48:091 hour, 48 minutes, 9 seconds Road. I I do realize that but if you look at the entire picture it has it has been rare.
1:48:151 hour, 48 minutes, 15 seconds So I I just I just want to say that just to you know again brag on the council. Um
1:48:231 hour, 48 minutes, 23 seconds and and also to to to make sure everybody understands that we we take a very close eye on growth. U that's something everyone takes very seriously.
1:48:341 hour, 48 minutes, 34 seconds Um and again I know them people spoke you you understand when you plant new plant because the age but I do want to say that about growth and and make sure
1:48:421 hour, 48 minutes, 42 seconds that that people realize what what the what the council's view and how they how hard they work on that
1:48:501 hour, 48 minutes, 50 seconds but it's also controversial and um you know the controversial aspect of this is
1:48:561 hour, 48 minutes, 56 seconds obviously where will a new facility go and um and I didn't ask Steve this when
1:49:021 hour, 49 minutes, 2 seconds he was standing at the podium But um you know very early on in the process uh you know he mentioned cost and he mentioned
1:49:101 hour, 49 minutes, 10 seconds that you know that's the rateayers that pay that cost that we really have to watch out for that that's part of our due diligence as well that um
1:49:201 hour, 49 minutes, 20 seconds building on the site that we we already have u increases the cost significantly.
1:49:261 hour, 49 minutes, 26 seconds Um, so the process started to to look for look for a site and it's not something
1:49:341 hour, 49 minutes, 34 seconds that started 3 months ago. Uh, it's something that's that's been going on for a while and and you know and people
1:49:401 hour, 49 minutes, 40 seconds ask about other sites. Um um and so this is something we've talked about too. Um I've said publicly, I think other people here have as well.
1:49:511 hour, 49 minutes, 51 seconds The pipeline that goes from our current plant that takes clean cleaned water out to the river uh goes northwest. Uh it
1:50:001 hour, 50 minutes goes um it comes out next to the sportsman's club on Man Road. Um that's where the pipe comes out.
1:50:091 hour, 50 minutes, 9 seconds There's a big sign out there on the on the on the lake that that tells you that. And so when you when when when when
1:50:171 hour, 50 minutes, 17 seconds consultant and staff start analyzing sites, it needs to be close to that pipeline.
1:50:241 hour, 50 minutes, 24 seconds Um and so when when you when when you asked about direction, that's that's that's the direction that that that needs to be looked at.
1:50:341 hour, 50 minutes, 34 seconds Um so when when this process started um it it started like
1:50:421 hour, 50 minutes, 42 seconds for years infrastructure uh projects have have have happened here for for a long time. uh
1:50:491 hour, 50 minutes, 49 seconds the consultants and the staff uh they started to look at sites, look at the map, looking at potential locations and
1:50:571 hour, 50 minutes, 57 seconds studying those locations and really uh digging into, as Steve said, property sizes, um how close to the pipeline and different things like that.
1:51:081 hour, 51 minutes, 8 seconds After they worked on that, um they they brought them to me and we talked about it. Um and so as we looked at different
1:51:171 hour, 51 minutes, 17 seconds locations um one of the things that um that we came down to um to move forward
1:51:251 hour, 51 minutes, 25 seconds and this was you know before anything came to council but we we we decided this would be a good option moving forward was to really focus on um the
1:51:351 hour, 51 minutes, 35 seconds Hartman Drive area. Um, in my mind, I'm not an engineer. Um, I
1:51:431 hour, 51 minutes, 43 seconds thought the current plant's been there 63 years in that area.
1:51:481 hour, 51 minutes, 48 seconds Let's put the plant somewhere in the same area, the new plant. Um, so we looked at sites in that area. Uh
1:51:561 hour, 51 minutes, 56 seconds there were a few that stood out and um and we had a work session and we presented um properties to the work
1:52:031 hour, 52 minutes, 3 seconds session or to the to the city council in that work session. Um two of the properties stood out. One was
1:52:101 hour, 52 minutes, 10 seconds at the um at the corner of um um
1:52:161 hour, 52 minutes, 16 seconds of um Hartman Drive and Co Pike. um the owners of that property, they um they
1:52:251 hour, 52 minutes, 25 seconds quickly let us know if they were not willing to sell and so um so we moved on to the next site that was
1:52:341 hour, 52 minutes, 34 seconds discussed and that site was Rockwood. Um again that area the old plants is there
1:52:421 hour, 52 minutes, 42 seconds uh the infrastructure is there the road the pipe is there you know in that area and all those things. So, we went from the site where the people did not want
1:52:481 hour, 52 minutes, 48 seconds to sell and we went to Rockwood. Um, now I'll say this. Um, you know, when
1:52:551 hour, 52 minutes, 55 seconds we're talking about Rockwood, it was 91 Carver Lane. It was Rockwood.
1:53:001 hour, 53 minutes Um, and you know, so why Rockwood? Well, couple things. It's a half mile from the current plant. Um, you know, it is
1:53:081 hour, 53 minutes, 8 seconds industrial. Um the owners I think was said earlier is willing to sell and um
1:53:151 hour, 53 minutes, 15 seconds and we began to start that process. Um and so um at that point um there was a a
1:53:251 hour, 53 minutes, 25 seconds resolution to uh on the city council to to create the site selection committee.
1:53:311 hour, 53 minutes, 31 seconds Um and uh that resolution passed 5 to one. And um I want to say this,
1:53:391 hour, 53 minutes, 39 seconds the night it was it was it was placed on the on the committee um I thought it was a great idea. Um and and I I thought it
1:53:471 hour, 53 minutes, 47 seconds was a great idea for for several reasons. Um um one um the people who were recommended
1:53:561 hour, 53 minutes, 56 seconds to be on the committee were all were all great people. Uh they're engineers on that committee. Uh there were uh there's a member of the of the there's a citizen
1:54:051 hour, 54 minutes, 5 seconds a private citizen on the committee. Uh there were counselors on the committee and um you know this would was this
1:54:141 hour, 54 minutes, 14 seconds would give it new eyes. Um, again, we have been going through the process as as we do with all of our infrastructure
1:54:211 hour, 54 minutes, 21 seconds pro infrastructure projects and and so um you know this one as important as it is as important as you guys have all
1:54:301 hour, 54 minutes, 30 seconds said it is and as important as we know it is um having a committee look at it with with different eyes. um having
1:54:391 hour, 54 minutes, 39 seconds public meetings, hearing from the public.
1:54:421 hour, 54 minutes, 42 seconds Um you know, for the past several months, uh the the committee has heard from a lot of people. Um and and and I
1:54:511 hour, 54 minutes, 51 seconds believe the committee has listened to to to the people and and they they worked hard uh you know to to to do that. Uh there was a matrix system is created.
1:55:011 hour, 55 minutes, 1 second they voted um looked at dozens of sites.
1:55:071 hour, 55 minutes, 7 seconds Um and then the the resolution that was that was introduced, it came down to um
1:55:171 hour, 55 minutes, 17 seconds to where that committee would recommend to the city council at least three sites. Um and and that's what that committee did.
1:55:281 hour, 55 minutes, 28 seconds Um and again, uh the people in the committee worked hard. Um they they did and um and listened to a lot of people.
1:55:371 hour, 55 minutes, 37 seconds Um they they truly listen. I I know I know they did. Um so there's three sites that are
1:55:441 hour, 55 minutes, 44 seconds presented to city council. Um I want to say this um though um about
1:55:551 hour, 55 minutes, 55 seconds the outcome. Um, I don't know what the right word is, uh, whether it's concern or
1:56:041 hour, 56 minutes, 4 seconds or disappointment, but a lot of people have mentioned site 22
1:56:101 hour, 56 minutes, 10 seconds uh, May Road. Um, that site
1:56:181 hour, 56 minutes, 18 seconds was never previously considered as con as as we studied it internally. It never be considered. Um, it was added to the
1:56:271 hour, 56 minutes, 27 seconds list because a neighboring property owner stood at the podium and said it should be considered. Um, I really don't
1:56:361 hour, 56 minutes, 36 seconds think site 22 should have been added to the list.
1:56:421 hour, 56 minutes, 42 seconds Um, I'm going to go back to to to the Rockwood site. Um,
1:56:491 hour, 56 minutes, 49 seconds I also want to say that the the apartment complex that's has the barb bar or has the chain lake fence around
1:56:581 hour, 56 minutes, 58 seconds it, it had never been considered previously either. And personally, I don't think that should been added to
1:57:041 hour, 57 minutes, 4 seconds the list either. Um, I think if Rockwood was ever considered, I just don't think
1:57:121 hour, 57 minutes, 12 seconds that property would need to be added to it. That's that's my personal opinion.
1:57:181 hour, 57 minutes, 18 seconds So So we're here. Uh there's been a lot of hard work done. This council has done a lot of great work through the years on
1:57:261 hour, 57 minutes, 26 seconds all kinds of different issues. Um the committee worked really hard. I just disagree with a couple couple of aspects
1:57:351 hour, 57 minutes, 35 seconds of it and those aspects of it. and and going forward, as Steve just said, it's going to take three months to get
1:57:441 hour, 57 minutes, 44 seconds property studied council work session before there's anything that happens before anything gets on any kind of agenda to be voted on. But I I I do want to say this.
1:57:561 hour, 57 minutes, 56 seconds Ultimately, the council's going to have to vote on something. I think most people in here
1:58:041 hour, 58 minutes, 4 seconds said that a a plant needs to be built. The council's got to fill on something. But but I but I want to say this for me and
1:58:111 hour, 58 minutes, 11 seconds and people I know people sometimes get confused how it operates up here, but uh we have six city councilors. Uh it takes
1:58:191 hour, 58 minutes, 19 seconds four votes to approve anything. Uh if someone's missing um and something is three yeses and two nos, it doesn't
1:58:261 hour, 58 minutes, 26 seconds pass. You have to have four yeses to pass anything. Um, the only time I get to vote is if it's a tie. Um, so if if
1:58:361 hour, 58 minutes, 36 seconds site 22 gets on the agenda and it's a tie, I'm going to vote no. If site 13
1:58:441 hour, 58 minutes, 44 seconds gets on the agenda and the apartment property is is attached to it and it's a three three tie, I'm going to vote no.
1:58:521 hour, 58 minutes, 52 seconds Um, but at some point it's going to be built. Um, and
1:59:011 hour, 59 minutes, 1 second as everybody up here has to make hard decisions and in those instances for those two properties that were never
1:59:091 hour, 59 minutes, 9 seconds considered previously that that's that's my decision. So, thank you councelor.
1:59:171 hour, 59 minutes, 17 seconds I want to thank everybody for coming out and all those who have reached out to me. Um, as most of us know, um, we everybody came around the Maple Hill area. We had a development coming in.
1:59:281 hour, 59 minutes, 28 seconds Worked very hard on it. Worked with um a lot of the neighbors. Kelly was involved as well. Um and got the development passed in a nice ne in a nice development neighborhood.
1:59:381 hour, 59 minutes, 38 seconds It was then added to the list because again someone had came up and said they wanted to add it to the list. If it is ever voted on or comes on an agenda, I will not vote for site 22.
1:59:471 hour, 59 minutes, 47 seconds Um I think it needs to be developed the way it was approved eight months ago, what everyone thinks it was supposed to be. And I don't think we need to do it
1:59:561 hour, 59 minutes, 56 seconds for the individual that got up and added it to the list because he is the family of the of the said they was a willing seller. That was unfortunate.
2:00:042 hours, 4 seconds As far as site 13 plus or 13A and how that goes, I don't know that the city
2:00:112 hours, 11 seconds needs all of the property that goes back to the apartment complex. I've driven through Carver Creek several times and it would literally be in some people's
2:00:192 hours, 19 seconds backyard. Um, people on Mida Drive when I went in, it's going to be in their backyards and especially Miss Douglas's.
2:00:262 hours, 26 seconds Uh, I've talked to her several times even when the apartment complex was going in and then it stopped and the fence went up. So, I would only vote for
2:00:342 hours, 34 seconds the Rockwood property if it comes to that point. That's all I have. Thank you, Councelor Ashley.
2:00:422 hours, 42 seconds I wanted to uh thank everyone for coming out as well. Um, you know, obviously we are here every
2:00:502 hours, 50 seconds other week and a lot of times it's a different group of people with other concerns that impact their quality of
2:00:582 hours, 58 seconds life, their home values and those type of things. So unfortunately we get to deal with these type of issues. They're
2:01:072 hours, 1 minute, 7 seconds different issues, but you know, we can draw a crowd at any given time uh because people are, you know, impacted
2:01:152 hours, 1 minute, 15 seconds by different issues. But we do appreciate you coming out and appreciate your comments. Um I was not part of the
2:01:252 hours, 1 minute, 25 seconds um committee that was formed. I think the committee was an excellent idea. I think that this is the largest financial
2:01:352 hours, 1 minute, 35 seconds decision that the city has ever made and it should be done with a group of experts. Um, and I appreciate the people
2:01:442 hours, 1 minute, 44 seconds that participated in the committee. I appreciated their input. I appre appreciate their expertise.
2:01:512 hours, 1 minute, 51 seconds Um, and I think that that was the right decision to form a committee that none of us should be making these type of decisions.
2:02:012 hours, 2 minutes, 1 second uh singlehandedly with limited information. So um at this point uh the
2:02:082 hours, 2 minutes, 8 seconds committee has um finished their process and um we understand that that they're
2:02:172 hours, 2 minutes, 17 seconds getting into each of these sites to look at the different sites. Uh it has not come to the city council. I have no
2:02:242 hours, 2 minutes, 24 seconds information whatsoever about the cost of any of these sites or uh what they found in any of the sites and what sites might
2:02:332 hours, 2 minutes, 33 seconds be the most appropriate. But obviously recognize that this is an incredibly important decision and um it's going to
2:02:422 hours, 2 minutes, 42 seconds take some time to get to the point that we can discuss it and um you know again I understand the stress
2:02:502 hours, 2 minutes, 50 seconds that this is causing on everybody and I want everyone to feel assured that I think we all take this very seriously and going to make the best decisions that we can.
2:02:592 hours, 2 minutes, 59 seconds Thank you counc.
2:03:012 hours, 3 minutes, 1 second Yes. again um as they've already stated and I state every time that we we love
2:03:092 hours, 3 minutes, 9 seconds for our galley to be full and we want to hear from people. Um we did uh establish
2:03:172 hours, 3 minutes, 17 seconds a committee. I I think um that a lot of the informations and questions that you
2:03:242 hours, 3 minutes, 24 seconds had here today um were answered um in some of those meetings. Um, I will ask
2:03:312 hours, 3 minutes, 31 seconds are are they not on? Are the minutes not on?
2:03:372 hours, 3 minutes, 37 seconds Christian Tony, I may have missed those. I did not realize that until Derek mentioned it because it was
2:03:442 hours, 3 minutes, 44 seconds So, there's no minutes from the wastewater treatment plan on there.
2:03:482 hours, 3 minutes, 48 seconds I don't No, there the minutes of the wastewater treatment plant site committee are online on our website. Um,
2:03:552 hours, 3 minutes, 55 seconds there there's also YouTube, right? or Facebook and and there's and they have been filmed on YouTube as well. So that that should still be on YouTube.
2:04:032 hours, 4 minutes, 3 seconds Um so I I would encourage you know everybody to read those um to um look at
2:04:122 hours, 4 minutes, 12 seconds those um videos. Um all of those meetings were posted. They were posted in the newspaper. Um I believe that it
2:04:212 hours, 4 minutes, 21 seconds has been a very transparent process. Um and um you know open to the public and
2:04:292 hours, 4 minutes, 29 seconds the meetings. Um like um Jerry just said, we have been given no
2:04:372 hours, 4 minutes, 37 seconds other information. I personally was on that committee, helped establish that committee. I know there were two others on that committee. Um but after that, we
2:04:462 hours, 4 minutes, 46 seconds have not been told a work session. Um it looks like we're not going to worry about a deadline for the grant. Is that correct?
2:04:552 hours, 4 minutes, 55 seconds That is correct. With the timeline of the studies of the properties, as Steve said, it'll take at least 90 days. So
2:05:022 hours, 5 minutes, 2 seconds that's that's a longer u part of the part of it. Um we will be discussing um
2:05:092 hours, 5 minutes, 9 seconds because uh we have talked a little bit about what kind of plant it could be and I believe in those work sessions or the
2:05:182 hours, 5 minutes, 18 seconds meetings that we had um what was put on there was a placeholder was not
2:05:242 hours, 5 minutes, 24 seconds necessarily what kind of um plant we're going to have. It was a placeholder to hold that space of where it could be on
2:05:332 hours, 5 minutes, 33 seconds all of the properties. Um and so I hope going forward after we've
2:05:412 hours, 5 minutes, 41 seconds done investigations um and environmentals as we've all talked um we will have work sessions
2:05:492 hours, 5 minutes, 49 seconds which are open to the public they are posted um there will be minutes hopefully we will record them
2:05:572 hours, 5 minutes, 57 seconds allow me to add that uh for the for the on our workstations we don't typically put them on YouTube but for these We
2:06:052 hours, 6 minutes, 5 seconds will so people can watch them if they can't attend there. We will discuss I hope the different types of plants like Steve did
2:06:132 hours, 6 minutes, 13 seconds stay um because we have to make a big financial decision. Um so I am sorry
2:06:222 hours, 6 minutes, 22 seconds that you all are continuing to have to come up here and express your feelings. We are hearing you. We have listened.
2:06:312 hours, 6 minutes, 31 seconds We're going to continue to do so. Um and and it's a big decision but we were elected to make these decisions and sometimes we have to make very difficult
2:06:402 hours, 6 minutes, 40 seconds ones. Um I I believe each and every one of us um do take it to heart, do the research and I hope are being very
2:06:482 hours, 6 minutes, 48 seconds transparent to you all as the people who elected us to be here. Um but again I can't give any more information than
2:06:562 hours, 6 minutes, 56 seconds whatever I have and that's what I have at this time is we have three sites.
2:07:032 hours, 7 minutes, 3 seconds I've gotten no other information even myself on that. Work sessions have not been posted. It sounds like it's going
2:07:092 hours, 7 minutes, 9 seconds to be 90 days. So, I guess that's when what we'll wait to see. Um, again, we
2:07:172 hours, 7 minutes, 17 seconds haven't discussed all the things that we've been accused of discussing other than what you have heard at the wastewater treatment plant um committee
2:07:262 hours, 7 minutes, 26 seconds meetings. I do encourage you to read those minutes. I do encourage you because this has been going on for the last three or four months and definitely
2:07:342 hours, 7 minutes, 34 seconds it started back in March for us as a council. So I I would encourage you all
2:07:422 hours, 7 minutes, 42 seconds um to keep looking at our website and to keep coming here and to getting the knowledge. I'm sorry that some of you
2:07:492 hours, 7 minutes, 49 seconds all are just receiving information for weeks um ago, but we are not sending letters to the whole city. We we do have
2:07:572 hours, 7 minutes, 57 seconds ways to communicate and ways we are required to communicate by state law. So um usually the advertising is what two
2:08:062 hours, 8 minutes, 6 seconds weeks before a meeting 10 days um Tanya advertising for meetings is how far in advance? 10 days.
2:08:152 hours, 8 minutes, 15 seconds So you all should get notice on that. That's all I have at this time. Thank you councelor Cra.
2:08:232 hours, 8 minutes, 23 seconds Thank you mayor. um as a uh representative of Ward 4, I just want to say um that where you're sitting
2:08:322 hours, 8 minutes, 32 seconds is exactly how I started uh as a city councilman. I um there was something that was coming in next to my house. We
2:08:392 hours, 8 minutes, 39 seconds have a century farm out on Wevil Pike and uh was not something that we wanted and uh I didn't even know when the city
2:08:462 hours, 8 minutes, 46 seconds council met uh when I first became engaged, but I found out when it met and uh came and expressed my opinion and
2:08:552 hours, 8 minutes, 55 seconds tried to rally the neighbors and do the same things that you all are doing tonight. Um, ultimately we didn't prevail in what we wanted, but I learned
2:09:042 hours, 9 minutes, 4 seconds u the process and learned how to advocate for for u our neighborhood and for people that that uh live in my area
2:09:122 hours, 9 minutes, 12 seconds and became the elected representative for Ward 4. So, you never know uh what coming to these meetings will will turn into. Uh but but I appreciate you all
2:09:212 hours, 9 minutes, 21 seconds being engaged in the process. Um, this committee's been meeting for however many months now and appreciate my fellow counselors for for doing that.
2:09:312 hours, 9 minutes, 31 seconds Um, and the ones who had been involved uh on the committee. I think most of those people have been involved in the infrastructure committee. They were
2:09:392 hours, 9 minutes, 39 seconds already on it and already had been working on it for some period of time.
2:09:442 hours, 9 minutes, 44 seconds So, um, I hear the concerns about transparency and I think that's always a concern. Uh, particularly for somebody who might not have known what was going
2:09:522 hours, 9 minutes, 52 seconds on. Again, I've been in that in those shoes before. So, I understand that and I hear what you're saying. Um, there believe me, I don't think there's any
2:10:012 hours, 10 minutes, 1 second intent on anybody up here uh to hide anything or to not be transparent. Uh, it's a difficult decision and somebody's
2:10:092 hours, 10 minutes, 9 seconds not going to be happy, right? Um, everybody wants the city to be able to operate efficiently and for us to, I
2:10:192 hours, 10 minutes, 19 seconds think, to have a new plant, even if we didn't grow, we need to have a better plant than the one we have now, uh,
2:10:262 hours, 10 minutes, 26 seconds clearly. So, uh, we're going to get one and we're going to hopefully put it in a location that that serves the city as a
2:10:332 hours, 10 minutes, 33 seconds whole better. And I just want to say too, the mayor mentioned uh my role on the
2:10:402 hours, 10 minutes, 40 seconds SPN annexation committee. Um, you know, when I got involved with the council, the planning commission seemed like a
2:10:482 hours, 10 minutes, 48 seconds place where, you know, we do enough battle up here on the on the city council, and it seemed like a place where you were dealing with barbed wire and brass knuckles and whatever else on
2:10:562 hours, 10 minutes, 56 seconds the planning commission, and I wasn't really interested in doing that, but uh, you know, the there are a lot of things that come through the planning
2:11:052 hours, 11 minutes, 5 seconds commission um that don't make it to city council. a lot of things that you know when we started the SPN annexation committee
2:11:132 hours, 11 minutes, 13 seconds um that we've been able to effectively kill in the SPN annexation committee.
2:11:182 hours, 11 minutes, 18 seconds So, you know, I'm one of these our our city is 42 square miles in a footprint.
2:11:232 hours, 11 minutes, 23 seconds U and and I think generally that's enough. It needs to be something very compelling and there needs to be a
2:11:302 hours, 11 minutes, 30 seconds public benefit to the city of Lebanon to consider expanding it any further than it is. and and and people need to build what they say they're going to build.
2:11:432 hours, 11 minutes, 43 seconds I'm a firm believer in that. It it makes me very upset to find out that a builder has shifted
2:11:502 hours, 11 minutes, 50 seconds gears on us and so uh you know that that makes me angry and I fight it. I fought it and
2:11:582 hours, 11 minutes, 58 seconds I've you know almost to the point of getting the city sued uh because I believe that strongly in it. If if somebody says they're going to build something a certain way, that's that's
2:12:062 hours, 12 minutes, 6 seconds what they promised. They've come to these all these meetings and drug all these folks out here and said that's what they're going to do. And then if they don't do it, um you know, they need
2:12:162 hours, 12 minutes, 16 seconds to be held accountable. And if we can't stop them on that development because of a technicality, then we'll we'll
2:12:222 hours, 12 minutes, 22 seconds remember it the next go round. U but um I just wanted to make those comments and again I appreciate you all being engaged
2:12:292 hours, 12 minutes, 29 seconds in the process. I know it's fatiguing uh and difficult. Again, I've been there on a different issue, but but hang in
2:12:372 hours, 12 minutes, 37 seconds there. It's important that you continue to to stay alert as to what's going on. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Councelor Brian.
2:12:452 hours, 12 minutes, 45 seconds Thank you, Mayor. There's one topic about the uh uh wastewater treatment facility that
2:12:542 hours, 12 minutes, 54 seconds hadn't been brought up and it's the fact that how much fun it is living next to a
2:13:012 hours, 13 minutes, 1 second wastewater treatment facility cuz I live right next to one. I live
2:13:092 hours, 13 minutes, 9 seconds right down the street from the current one and I live in Weston Heights.
2:13:162 hours, 13 minutes, 16 seconds and I've been living there 22 years next to the current wastewater treatment
2:13:252 hours, 13 minutes, 25 seconds facility. Now, when we first moved there, now and then there were some issues.
2:13:332 hours, 13 minutes, 33 seconds Uh there were some odor issues but like I say I've been there 22 years and over the years they have corrected those
2:13:412 hours, 13 minutes, 41 seconds issues and as much as they could upgraded corrected
2:13:482 hours, 13 minutes, 48 seconds and to this point there hasn't been any noticeable odors.
2:13:562 hours, 13 minutes, 56 seconds I'm talking about I'm talking about for at least 10 years
2:14:052 hours, 14 minutes, 5 seconds now. That may seem funny to some of you, but I have experienced it and I know
2:14:132 hours, 14 minutes, 13 seconds that they have upgraded that plant as much as they possibly can and that's why that's why we need a new one.
2:14:242 hours, 14 minutes, 24 seconds I drive by that plant uh several times a week because I have relatives that live out Hartman Drive on
2:14:332 hours, 14 minutes, 33 seconds the other end. And uh when we first moved there uh my granddaughter who we raised used
2:14:412 hours, 14 minutes, 41 seconds to uh uh call it there's the poop plant.
2:14:482 hours, 14 minutes, 48 seconds But your concerns I can understand that. I can understand if you're concerned about health issues,
2:14:552 hours, 14 minutes, 55 seconds but I'm just saying for somebody and our whole neighborhood would agree that um
2:15:042 hours, 15 minutes, 4 seconds as far as health concerns and odor and things like that, the new facility will be
2:15:142 hours, 15 minutes, 14 seconds upgraded. It'll be a modern facility and there it's not going to be anywhere near
2:15:232 hours, 15 minutes, 23 seconds this current facility is you're talking about facility that was built in 1963.
2:15:322 hours, 15 minutes, 32 seconds And I know that modern facilities are nowhere near the technology that it was in 1963.
2:15:442 hours, 15 minutes, 44 seconds And you'll have to agree with that. They don't use the same technology.
2:15:542 hours, 15 minutes, 54 seconds The new plant will have the new technology and it'll be a vast improvement over what we have now.
2:16:052 hours, 16 minutes, 5 seconds And for somebody that lives that close to the uh wastewater treatment facility, I have no complaints.
2:16:152 hours, 16 minutes, 15 seconds And as far as property values go, I've never seen that on any kind of real estate
2:16:232 hours, 16 minutes, 23 seconds uh estimate that I've ever had. I bought my house in uh well 22 years ago, whatever that adds up
2:16:322 hours, 16 minutes, 32 seconds to be. 2003, that was never an issue.
2:16:392 hours, 16 minutes, 39 seconds That was never brought up. and my house has increased in value quadruple since I've been there.
2:16:482 hours, 16 minutes, 48 seconds So, I think you know your concerns are valid, but I just want to um
2:16:562 hours, 16 minutes, 56 seconds help you uh kind of put some of that to rest that a lot of your concerns
2:17:042 hours, 17 minutes, 4 seconds are, like I said, they're valid, but I haven't had the experience with living
2:17:112 hours, 17 minutes, 11 seconds near the wastewater treatment facility plant that you are thinking
2:17:192 hours, 17 minutes, 19 seconds is going to be your experience if that makes sense. Okay, that's all I have. Thank you.
2:17:292 hours, 17 minutes, 29 seconds Thank you. Go ahead. Uh I want to thank you all for coming.
2:17:332 hours, 17 minutes, 33 seconds Uh first comment I have is I didn't know it was red shirt day. I think I look pretty good in red. I would have worn one if I'd known that was the color of
2:17:402 hours, 17 minutes, 40 seconds the day. Um I I understand what all you folks are saying. a few folks over here that have talked about coming that uh
2:17:492 hours, 17 minutes, 49 seconds our grandparents and their kids are here and now their grandkids are here. My wife and I moved to Lebanon in August of
2:17:562 hours, 17 minutes, 56 seconds uh 2018. So, we've only been here eight years and since then my daughter has moved here with her husband and she brought her granddaughter here and
2:18:052 hours, 18 minutes, 5 seconds blessed us with a second granddaughter since she's been here. So when I sit here, any decision that I make, I want
2:18:132 hours, 18 minutes, 13 seconds you to know whether you believe it or not. Uh I don't make these decisions what I think is best for me because I'm knocking on the door 70. I'm not going
2:18:212 hours, 18 minutes, 21 seconds to be around here long enough. They're going to have a long-term effect. But my kids love this town. My grandchildren love this town. And whatever I do, I
2:18:292 hours, 18 minutes, 29 seconds want to make sure I do that. They want to be here another 50 years. And they want to call this home. and hopefully we'll have great grandkids here before I
2:18:372 hours, 18 minutes, 37 seconds pass. Um, all I can tell you at this point as far as what's going on is we don't know what we don't know yet. And
2:18:462 hours, 18 minutes, 46 seconds what I mean by that is that site selection committee was only formed to come up with a list of sites. The real
2:18:532 hours, 18 minutes, 53 seconds work has now has to start as far as the cost, the the different alternatives that are available and present that to
2:19:002 hours, 19 minutes the council. We know nothing more than you know. So, as far as being transparent, every one of those sewer uh
2:19:072 hours, 19 minutes, 7 seconds selection committee meetings, I was on that committee. Those were all open to the public. Nobody's hidden anything.
2:19:132 hours, 19 minutes, 13 seconds There have been no no meetings beyond what was held in the public. We haven't gotten together. The council has not talked about this at all. And when we do
2:19:222 hours, 19 minutes, 22 seconds get that information from Mr. Jones, uh, which I understand now is a minimum of 90 days because the council has not even
2:19:292 hours, 19 minutes, 29 seconds voted yet to pass to give the right of assessment to get to those properties.
2:19:342 hours, 19 minutes, 34 seconds So, we're not even 90 days. We're probably more like 120 because he doesn't have the legal right to even approach those owners to be on that property until that passes two readings.
2:19:452 hours, 19 minutes, 45 seconds That that clock doesn't even start ticking yet. So, if you want to continue to come twice a month until after the first year, I'd love to have you cuz I think it's great having a full house.
2:19:562 hours, 19 minutes, 56 seconds But anything that you ask us and anything that you throw at us, I'm not going to have a better answer until I hear what he has to say. And until we
2:20:042 hours, 20 minutes, 4 seconds have work sessions, what are also open to the public, you'll know as much as we know, as fast as we know if you attend
2:20:112 hours, 20 minutes, 11 seconds those work sessions. Um, we try to be very, very transparent.
2:20:172 hours, 20 minutes, 17 seconds uh doing the best I can. I have no intentions of trying to do anything that isn't out in the open. Uh life's too
2:20:242 hours, 20 minutes, 24 seconds short and and as a friend of mine said that I play golf with, you know, at our age, we're in we're in the fourth quarter of the football game. So, not
2:20:322 hours, 20 minutes, 32 seconds time to screw up at this stage of the game. You know, just finish the game and be done with it. Um so, should this have been started and looked at 15 years ago?
2:20:412 hours, 20 minutes, 41 seconds Heck yeah. Because if it had, I wouldn't have to deal with this at all today. But but now that we have to deal with it, I am going to try to make the best choice that I can for the entire city of
2:20:502 hours, 20 minutes, 50 seconds Lebanon and for the future generations within the city of Lebanon. I'm sure I've learned since I've been on this
2:20:582 hours, 20 minutes, 58 seconds council, I don't care if I say the sky is blue, somebody's going to say it's green, or somebody's going to say it's yellow. So, I know we're not going to
2:21:042 hours, 21 minutes, 4 seconds make everybody 100% happy. But I truly believe everybody who sits up here will do what they believe is the best for the
2:21:122 hours, 21 minutes, 12 seconds city, for the citizens today, and the citizens down the road. That's all I have.
2:21:192 hours, 21 minutes, 19 seconds Thank you. Uh before we go to the consent agenda, I do have a a message from John who's in the booth uh who's a part of our IT department. Uh he did say
2:21:282 hours, 21 minutes, 28 seconds that the minutes are uploaded uh under the agenda center on our website. So they are there. John, I confirmed that.
2:21:392 hours, 21 minutes, 39 seconds Ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, we're we're going to the business now. We can talk about after the meeting, but right now we're we're going
2:21:472 hours, 21 minutes, 47 seconds to start voting. Okay. Thank you. We have six items on the consent agenda.
2:21:512 hours, 21 minutes, 51 seconds I'll read each one of those. Ordinance number 267451.
2:21:552 hours, 21 minutes, 55 seconds Second reading to approve a construction agreement with RJ Corman Railroad Company, Nashville Nation Railroad for railroad crossing improvements related to the grantf funed sidewalk project.
2:22:062 hours, 22 minutes, 6 seconds on North Calite Avenue by Chris Rice, executive director of engineering plan. I guess I'll wait.
2:22:132 hours, 22 minutes, 13 seconds What happens the rest of the city?
2:22:362 hours, 22 minutes, 36 seconds No. Anywhere. Somebody owns the farm. Somebody owns the lake.
2:22:422 hours, 22 minutes, 42 seconds We're We're in the meeting now. We We'll talk to you after the meeting is over. Yep.
2:22:462 hours, 22 minutes, 46 seconds Yep. Just just just hang out. We'll talk to you after meeting over
2:23:172 hours, 23 minutes, 17 seconds Ted, it must have been the smell.
2:23:232 hours, 23 minutes, 23 seconds All right. Um, I will start over the consent agenda ordinance number 267451.
2:23:282 hours, 23 minutes, 28 seconds Second read to approve a construction agreement with RJ Corman Railroad Company, Nashville and Eastern Railroad for railroad crossing improvements related to the grant funded sidewalk
2:23:362 hours, 23 minutes, 36 seconds project on North Calites Avenue by Kristen Rice, executive director of engineering and planning. Mor 267452, second reading to approve bids award
2:23:452 hours, 23 minutes, 45 seconds contract for T3R sidewalk improvements project and to retain consultant engineering services T.P.129468000
2:23:522 hours, 23 minutes, 52 seconds 129468000 by Chris Rice, executive director of engineering and planning. Or number 267453,
2:23:592 hours, 23 minutes, 59 seconds second reading to authorize a budget amendment for the resurfacing of the South Hartman Drive playground by William Porter, parks recreation director. Or number 267454,
2:24:092 hours, 24 minutes, 9 seconds second reading, authorize a budget amendment for the gas department for the emergency replacement of an air conditioner unit by Regina Santana,
2:24:152 hours, 24 minutes, 15 seconds utilities director. Ort number 267455 second reading to council the regularly called city council meeting on Tuesday
2:24:222 hours, 24 minutes, 22 seconds November 3rd 2026 by Rick Bale mayor number 267456 second reading to men title four of the
2:24:292 hours, 24 minutes, 29 seconds Lebanon municipal code by Sylvia Riel HR director motion to approve motion by councelor Morehead second by councelor Crow discussion all in favor say I.
2:24:392 hours, 24 minutes, 39 seconds Any opposed? Thank you. Now to old business. Art number 267448.
2:24:442 hours, 24 minutes, 44 seconds Second reading to amend title 14 to change permitted wall and fence design standards replacing 14504D10 landscaping screen and buffering.
2:24:542 hours, 24 minutes, 54 seconds Request by staff to approve. Second.
2:24:562 hours, 24 minutes, 56 seconds Motion by councelor Carmarmac. Second by councelor crow. Discussion. All in favor say I.
2:25:012 hours, 25 minutes, 1 second I. Any opposed? Thank you. Or 267449 second reading to mend title 14 to change 14303
2:25:102 hours, 25 minutes, 10 seconds residential zoning districts accessory building tables 14304A RPI residential public institutional
2:25:172 hours, 25 minutes, 17 seconds accessory building table 14304B UC university campus accessory building table and 14503
2:25:262 hours, 25 minutes, 26 seconds supplemental bulk regulations for accessory buildings to establish uniform standards for accessory buildings request by staff. Motion to approve.
2:25:342 hours, 25 minutes, 34 seconds Motion by councelor Krauss. Second by councelor Carmarmac. Discussion. All in favor say I.
2:25:392 hours, 25 minutes, 39 seconds I. Any opposed? Thank you. Now to do new business. Or number 267462.
2:25:442 hours, 25 minutes, 44 seconds First reading to approve a T dot local construction railroad agreements for the railroad crossing approaches project on West Main Street SR 24 and South Maple
2:25:542 hours, 25 minutes, 54 seconds Street. T do DOT contract number CR070606 and CRR070607.
2:26:022 hours, 26 minutes, 2 seconds T dot pin numbers 135120 and 135122 by Christian Rice executive director of engineering planning and Jake Puit
2:26:102 hours, 26 minutes, 10 seconds capital projects manager motion to approve second by councelor Morehead second by councelor Berdine discussion all in favor say I.
2:26:172 hours, 26 minutes, 17 seconds I opposed. Thank you. 267463 first reading to approve a T dot local agency project agreement for resurfacing
2:26:262 hours, 26 minutes, 26 seconds of SR10 from near Cedar Forest Road to near SR24 state project number 95s 010
2:26:332 hours, 26 minutes, 33 seconds M3003 p6334 agreement number 260119 by Kristen Rice executive director of
2:26:412 hours, 26 minutes, 41 seconds engineering and planning and Jake Puit capital projects manager motion to approve second council car second by councelor Cra discussion all in favor say I
2:26:502 hours, 26 minutes, 50 seconds opposed. Thank you. Mor 267464 first reading amend the Lebanon municipal code title 22 storm water
2:26:572 hours, 26 minutes, 57 seconds adopting new storm water credit manual revising storm water management requirements and creating chapter 3 establishing sinkhole regulations by
2:27:052 hours, 27 minutes, 5 seconds Christian Rice executive director of engineering and planning and Mattie Neely engineering services director of development. Motion to approve.
2:27:112 hours, 27 minutes, 11 seconds Second motion by councelor Morehead second by councelor Berdine. Discussion all in favor say I. I opposed. Thank you. Arts 267465.
2:27:212 hours, 27 minutes, 21 seconds First reading to approve bids or contract for the 2026 sidewalk improvements project CL260003 by Kristen Rice.
2:27:282 hours, 27 minutes, 28 seconds Motion to approve.
2:27:302 hours, 27 minutes, 30 seconds Executive director of engineering and planning and Zuit Kapper projects manager. Motion by councelor Ashley. Second councelor Cra. Chris speak to it.
2:27:392 hours, 27 minutes, 39 seconds Um any discussion?
2:27:412 hours, 27 minutes, 41 seconds No mayor that was uh Camille had made the motion to approve. Sorry I thought it was there. I'm sorry.
2:27:472 hours, 27 minutes, 47 seconds Uh motion by councelor Berdine, second by councelor Cra. Sorry. Uh any discussion? All in favor say I.
2:27:552 hours, 27 minutes, 55 seconds I. Any opposed?
2:27:572 hours, 27 minutes, 57 seconds You got me while I was still talking. I was having a hard time hearing. Um or number 267466 to approve budget amendments relative to
2:28:062 hours, 28 minutes, 6 seconds new route to the new refunding bond for radio communications bond and public safety bond by Lindseay Wolfenberger, finance director. Motion to approve.
2:28:142 hours, 28 minutes, 14 seconds Motion by councelor Carmarmac. Second by councelor Crow. Discussion. All in favor say I. I.
2:28:192 hours, 28 minutes, 19 seconds Any opposed? Thank you. Resolution number 262889 to approve contract with T
2:28:242 hours, 28 minutes, 24 seconds do D do D do D do D do D do D do D do D do D do DOT for the routine maintenance of state routes contractor Edison registration IDs 1567 and contract
2:28:322 hours, 28 minutes, 32 seconds number CMA2734 by Lee Clark public works director. Motion to approve. Second.
2:28:372 hours, 28 minutes, 37 seconds Motion by councelor Cra. Second by councelor Brian. Discussion. All in favor say I.
2:28:422 hours, 28 minutes, 42 seconds I. Any opposed? Thank you. Quiz summer 26, 2893 to approve the aerial photography agreement with near near map by Mike Cosworth, MIS director.
2:28:522 hours, 28 minutes, 52 seconds Motion to approve. Second.
2:28:532 hours, 28 minutes, 53 seconds Motion by councelor Carmarmac. Second by councelor Crow. Discussion. All in favor say I. I.
2:28:582 hours, 28 minutes, 58 seconds Any opposed? Thank you. Resolution number 262894 to approve the research agreement with Van University Medical Center for the
2:29:062 hours, 29 minutes, 6 seconds coach program partnership. Bax major Jimmy Floyd center director. Motion to approve.
2:29:122 hours, 29 minutes, 12 seconds Motion by councelor Carmax. Second by councelor Crow. Discussion. All in favor say I. I.
2:29:162 hours, 29 minutes, 16 seconds Any opposed? Thank you. Resolution 26 28.95 to authorize advertising for construction manager risk services for
2:29:232 hours, 29 minutes, 23 seconds Leven sports complex phase 2 by Christian Rice, executive director of manager planning. Jake Puit, Kapper, projects manager. Approve.
2:29:312 hours, 29 minutes, 31 seconds Second by councelor Berdine. Second by councelor Carmarmac. Discussion. All in favor say I. I.
2:29:372 hours, 29 minutes, 37 seconds Any opposed? Thank you. Resolution number 26 2896 to accept bids for the wastewater treatment plant e-luent pump station cleaning project by Regina Santana utilities director.
2:29:472 hours, 29 minutes, 47 seconds Motion to approve Morehead. Second by councelor Crow. Discussion. All in favor say I. I.
2:29:532 hours, 29 minutes, 53 seconds Any opposed? Thank you. Resolution number 262898 to approve an agreement WebEx calling migration for the MS department by Mike Collinssworth MS director.
2:30:052 hours, 30 minutes, 5 seconds Motion by councelor Kra. Second by councelor Morhead. discussion. All in favor say I. I.
2:30:102 hours, 30 minutes, 10 seconds Any opposed? Thank you. Resolution number 2628.99 to approve the professional services agreement for Omnia software solutions for the storm
2:30:192 hours, 30 minutes, 19 seconds water department for Brian Chamiki, storm water coordinator and Christian Rice, director of engineering and planning. Motion to approve.
2:30:252 hours, 30 minutes, 25 seconds Motion by council, second by councelor Carmarmac. Discussion. All in favor say I.
2:30:302 hours, 30 minutes, 30 seconds Any opposed? Thank you. Position number 262901 to approve an agreement with KCI technologies for city works maintenance by Mike Csworth MIS director.
2:30:402 hours, 30 minutes, 40 seconds Second Kra second by councelor Brian.
2:30:432 hours, 30 minutes, 43 seconds Discussion. All in favor say I. I.
2:30:462 hours, 30 minutes, 46 seconds Any opposed? Thank you. Resolution number 262902 to approve an agreement with KCI technologies for project
2:30:532 hours, 30 minutes, 53 seconds management ARGIS hub web application support maintenance mo monitor configuration and as needed support by
2:31:002 hours, 31 minutes Mike Consworth MIS director motion to approve second.
2:31:042 hours, 31 minutes, 4 seconds Council Morhead second by councelor Brian discussion. All in favor say I. I.
2:31:092 hours, 31 minutes, 9 seconds Any opposed? Thank you. Resolution number 262903 to approve a professional service agreement for the 2026 gas rate
2:31:162 hours, 31 minutes, 16 seconds study by Regina Santana utilities director and Lindsay Wolfenberger finance director move second councelor Brian second council
2:31:242 hours, 31 minutes, 24 seconds crowd discussion yeah Regina can you um clarify because I can't remember I've slept since then did
2:31:322 hours, 31 minutes, 32 seconds we do a rate study for our sewer we have one that's underway for water and sewer um I would anticipate Sometime
2:31:412 hours, 31 minutes, 41 seconds later this fall, we'll have a work session. The company, which is the same company that we're hiring to do the gas portion of it, I'll come do a
2:31:502 hours, 31 minutes, 50 seconds presentation. Um, we've met with them virtually a couple different meetings.
2:31:562 hours, 31 minutes, 56 seconds Um, they've needed additional information from us. We've asked them to look at some different things like cost of sewer, um, utility rates specifically
2:32:042 hours, 32 minutes, 4 seconds for the sewer that goes out to the racetrack to be looked at differently, different things like that. So, because just using that sewer because it's the
2:32:122 hours, 32 minutes, 12 seconds easiest one, um it costs us more to maintain and operate that line than it does sewer that's right here in the city limits by the plant. So, their rate
2:32:212 hours, 32 minutes, 21 seconds should be a little different. So, there's things they're still working on for us. Okay.
2:32:252 hours, 32 minutes, 25 seconds This fall, we'll get some more information. Okay. Thank you. Discussion. All in favor say I.
2:32:322 hours, 32 minutes, 32 seconds I. Any opposed? Thank you. Position number 262904 to approve the pipeline crossing license agreement NER26029
2:32:402 hours, 32 minutes, 40 seconds with RJ Coleman Railroad Company National Eastern Railroad Lab by Gina Santana Utilities Director. Motion to approve.
2:32:492 hours, 32 minutes, 49 seconds That was motion by councelor Brian second by councelor Cra. Discussion all in favor say I.
2:32:552 hours, 32 minutes, 55 seconds I oppose. Thank you. Resisition 262905 to approve supplement number two to utility relocation contract number 8905
2:33:042 hours, 33 minutes, 4 seconds with T dot related to SUR relocation for the partial pipe widening project PN 10320301
2:33:112 hours, 33 minutes, 11 seconds STP141-1695013221814 contract number 8905 by Virginia Santana utilities director
2:33:192 hours, 33 minutes, 19 seconds motion to approve second by councelor Carmax second by councelor Brian discussion all in favor say I. Any opposed? Thank you. Resolution number
2:33:282 hours, 33 minutes, 28 seconds 262906 to approve supplement number two to utility relocation contract number 8904 with T dot related to gas relocation for
2:33:362 hours, 33 minutes, 36 seconds the Harel Pike winding project being 10320301 STP 1411695013 221814.
2:33:442 hours, 33 minutes, 44 seconds Motion to approve contract number 8904 by Gina Santana Utilities Director. Motion by councelor Carmarmac. Second by councelor Cra.
2:33:522 hours, 33 minutes, 52 seconds Discussion. All in favor say I. I.
2:33:552 hours, 33 minutes, 55 seconds Any opposed? Thank you. Resolution number 262907 to authorize an agreement with Clean Harbors Environmental Services Inc. for placement of
2:34:032 hours, 34 minutes, 3 seconds landscaping and things within the PUD by Regina Santana. Motion to approve. Second Morehead second by council crowd. Discussion.
2:34:102 hours, 34 minutes, 10 seconds Yes. Okay. Regina, could you talk to us a little bit about this? I don't know what PUD is and I doubt anybody else in the audience does as well. So,
2:34:202 hours, 34 minutes, 20 seconds it stands for public utility and drainage easement. Um, we require easements around the perimeter of every
2:34:272 hours, 34 minutes, 27 seconds lot that's built or subdivided. Um, this one here just makes it clear that we're letting them put this fence and
2:34:352 hours, 34 minutes, 35 seconds landscape and whatever is shown on their site plan in that easement, but should we ever need to access that easement and it has to be removed, it's at their cost
2:34:442 hours, 34 minutes, 44 seconds that we're not responsible for it or replacing it. All right. Thank you. Okay. Any further discussion?
2:34:512 hours, 34 minutes, 51 seconds All in favor say I. I any opposed? Thank you. Resolution number 262908 to accept bids for the racetrack pump station
2:34:582 hours, 34 minutes, 58 seconds rehabilitation project number CL2607 by Gene Santana utilities director.
2:35:042 hours, 35 minutes, 4 seconds Second motion by councelor Kra second by councelor Carmarmac. Discussion all in favor say I. I.
2:35:102 hours, 35 minutes, 10 seconds Any opposed? Thank you. Resolution number 26 2909 authorizing this issue and sale and payment of general obligation inter fund cap lay notes in
2:35:182 hours, 35 minutes, 18 seconds the aggregate principal amount of not to exceed 1 million275,000 by Lindsay Wolfenberger finance director motion to approve
2:35:252 hours, 35 minutes, 25 seconds motion by councelor Morhead second by councelor crow discussion yes okay see that's big money could you talk to
2:35:312 hours, 35 minutes, 31 seconds everybody about what that involves so these these two resolutions are just
2:35:382 hours, 35 minutes, 38 seconds steps in the process of for the gas department um to give us a little extra money while we do the gas rate study.
2:35:492 hours, 35 minutes, 49 seconds State that again. So, we're taking some money out of the general fund and moving it to help with some of the Yeah. to help with some things in the g the capital and gas fund as we do the gas rate study.
2:36:022 hours, 36 minutes, 2 seconds So, we didn't plan that before and in our budget.
2:36:112 hours, 36 minutes, 11 seconds It's just an additional I mean, you know, we haven't we haven't done a gas rate study since 2008. I mean, we haven't raised rates in gas since 2008.
2:36:182 hours, 36 minutes, 18 seconds So, it's just part of the process.
2:36:232 hours, 36 minutes, 23 seconds So, so yeah, until we get that gas rate study done, this is something that um Lindsay and I said I'll talk about we need to do, right? just to make sure
2:36:302 hours, 36 minutes, 30 seconds that um gas department this will this will work until we get that gas rate done.
2:36:412 hours, 36 minutes, 41 seconds All right. Any further discussion? All in favor say I. I.
2:36:452 hours, 36 minutes, 45 seconds Any oppose? Thank you. Resolution number 26 2910 authorizing the issuance of not to exceed $2 million in enter fund gas
2:36:532 hours, 36 minutes, 53 seconds system revenue anticipation notes C1 Tennessee by Lizzy Wolfenberger finance director.
2:36:572 hours, 36 minutes, 57 seconds Motion to approve. by councelor Cra, second by councelor Brian. Discussion. This the same thing as the one before.
2:37:052 hours, 37 minutes, 5 seconds It still has to do with the gas system. Okay.
2:37:102 hours, 37 minutes, 10 seconds Okay. Any further discussion? All in favor say I. I. Any oppose? Thank you. We are journ.